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Speaker Wire versus gauge and length information
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Post 1 made on Monday March 31, 2014 at 14:31
Ernie Gilman
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Craig Aguiar-Winter’s recent thread about an installation inspired me to look up this chart: [Link: belden.com]. It’s included in abbreviated form in Stephen Lampen’s “Audio/Video Cable Installer’s Pocket Guide.” We all should AT LEAST have and peruse this book. Actually reading sections that have more information than we need is a great way to become much more knowledgeable about the copper and plastic we throw around every day.

Let me put together a few of the hundreds of facts in this chart: how long can a wire be while offering only a 1% power loss through the wire? To put this in perspective, 1% is about 0.04 dB loss. The thing to notice here is the amazing distance you get with a 70 volt system, especially when you take this, from the article, into account:

*70 volt line distributed systems, while potentially as high performance as 4 or 8 Ohm applications, follow the same cable loss physics as the higher current (lower impedance) system. For the sake of this calculation a 25 watt 70 volts system (196Ω impendance) was used.

This clearly implies that those of us who think that 70V systems are junk have not sought out good equipment. I liken that to a person working with 8 ohm speakers who has never looked for or heard any 8 ohm speakers better than intercom speakers…. Or Samsung TV rear-facing speakers!

The info for a 1% power loss (-0.04 dB)

20 ga: 4 ohm, 1 ft; 8 ohm, 2 ft; 70 volt, 40 ft
16 ga: 4 ohm, 2 ft; 8 ohm, 4 ft; 70 volt, 102 ft
14 ga: 4 ohm, 3 ft; 8 ohm, 7 ft; 70 volt, 166 ft

For a loss of only 1 dB, which sounds small but is more than 20% of the power, the numbers are

20 ga: 4 ohm, 22 ft; 8 ohm, 44 ft; 70 volt, 1068 ft
16 ga: 4 ohm, 55 ft; 8 ohm, 1104 ft; 70 volt, 2687 ft
14 ga: 4 ohm, 89 ft; 8 ohm, 179 ft; 70 volt, 4380 ft
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 2 made on Monday March 31, 2014 at 14:47
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pe·ruse
pəˈro͞oz
verbformal
1. read (something), typically in a thorough or careful way.
"he has spent countless hours in libraries perusing art history books and catalogues"
OP | Post 3 made on Monday March 31, 2014 at 15:04
Ernie Gilman
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Lohwz,
that is indeed the definition at the top of google when I google
define peruse
That's totally at odds to my understanding of the word, which is to casually look something over. In google's next response, Merriam-Webster ([Link: merriam-webster.com]) has more in in this oxymoronic entry:

a : to examine or consider with attention and in detail : study
b : to look over or through in a casual or cursory manner
2 : read; especially : to read over in an attentive or leisurely manner

So which is it, attentive or leisurely? Let me sit back, relax, put up the feet, and study the living crap out of this... Does that make a bit of sense?

When I was a kid, I was fascinated that flammable and inflammable meant the same thing, which was flammable. And inflammable. Priceless and invaluable used to mean both of price or value beyond estimating and or insignificant price or value. They seem to only mean the first thing now.

(...all of which is to say don't get me started.)

Last edited by Ernie Gilman on March 31, 2014 15:12.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 4 made on Monday March 31, 2014 at 15:27
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Thanks. This has been a valuable read. Or, maybe it's invaluable.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
OP | Post 5 made on Monday March 31, 2014 at 17:41
Ernie Gilman
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Your comment?

Priceless.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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