Thanks for the reply Rob.

I have an old 7800 cinema 7 (still my favorite) None of the codes you listed worked, at least not in the aux position I was using.

Looks like I will have to upgrade to a newer remote...too bad I have finally got the family all trained on that one.

Looks like a new Kamelon and a jp1 is in my future

Thanks again,

btw I have confirmed that the 5000 and 4000 use the same codes