Hehehe...creative MUTE solution. But I would still need to manually turn the volume of the TV all the way down when in surround mode. Not bad though.

The arrow suggestion would work for my VCR, but as you said, not for the DVD. Good tip though.

What I do right now is simply clone all settings for the VCR or DVD device key under an unused device key, with the difference being the volume and mute buttons. Works, but not entirely SOAK proof. But then...they never care much for surround anyway :)

Thanks,

Arjen