Lyndel,

Yes, the delay will be a problem, and, as you said, there will be no perfect solution for that.

However, I've been fooling around with the CCF De/Compiler and I have an idea to make this work, to some extent, for MP3s. I am wondering if you would mind making a small(?) change to SNL. If you look at the Button generated for choosing the Disc, you'll notice it does not have a name. If you could put the Disc Title/Name (or Disc Title/Short or SortAs) in there (with no font) then I might be able to use that to put in some additional entries after SNL has run.

Here's what it looks like now (after SNL has run):

Button("",0,34,36,34,1142) // Button 1142 : Device : "CD List" Panel : "D1"
{
Font(0);
Icons("01-04-2003 Adding SNL (attempt)_bmp\icon0317.bmp");

Action()
{
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","Disc Select (Macro)",435); // Reference to Button 435
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","2",378); // Reference to Button 378
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","5",381); // Reference to Button 381
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","0",386); // Reference to Button 386
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","Disc Enter (Macro)",436); // Reference to Button 436
JumpDevicePanel("This","T0");
}
}

And this is what I want it to look like when all is said and done:

Button("[Disc title]",0,34,36,34,1142) // Button 1142 : Device : "CD List" Panel : "D1"
{
Font(0);
Icons("01-04-2003 Adding SNL (attempt)_bmp\icon0317.bmp");

Action()
{
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","Disc Select (Macro)",435); // Reference to Button 435
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","2",378); // Reference to Button 378
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","5",381); // Reference to Button 381
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","0",386); // Reference to Button 386
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","Disc Enter (Macro)",436); // Reference to Button 436
Delay(10000);
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","Album Select (Macro)",438); // Reference to Button 438
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","2",378); // Reference to Button 378
AliasDeviceButton("DVD","DVP-CX875P Mode 1","Album Enter (Macro)",439); // Reference to Button 439
JumpDevicePanel("This","T0");
}
}

If the Disc Title/Name/Short/SortAs is put into the Button text, I can use a unique ID in those fields. I can then can parse the file, look for those identifiers (which are stored in a database, see Bruce's solution), lookup the Album number to insert, and insert the appropriate lines to accomplish the task.

I hope this makes sense... and I hope that I'm not biting off more than I can chew! :)

I appreciate your help.

Roopesh

Roopesh,

You can display disc/track numbers on buttons. Can you not use the Disc/Track Number to match up to your database?

The solution you proposed will work but is a one-off and does not fit into the existing guidelines of SNL.

However, I am willing to discuss offline via email.

Lyndel

Lyndel,

I tried displaying disc/track numbers, but it doesn't solve my problem. Due to the fact that many albums exist on one disc, all of this becomes difficult...

Please do drop me an email: [email protected]

Thanks,

Roopesh

Hi,

I have three questions:

I downloaded 2.0.0.1, and started looking for the promised .doc file, but I found none.
1: Am I looking in the right place?
2: Is the doc essentially the same as the .html file?

3:I'm not a native english speaker; what are the origins of the strange name of this product?? I have to have a story for my boss when he asks me about downloading nudity!

(I don't have a jukebox, but I like the idea of having all (or as many of my 600+ CDs that will fit) of my CD tracks on the Pronto. That's why I want to know more about SNL.)


Bye and thanks,
Maarten

Maarten,

Due to the size of the MS Word document (source doc), only the HTML (export from MS Word) was submitted with V2.0.0.1 as I also included some images in embedded zip files.

For the source of "Nudelist", see Leo "Nudel" Davidson's website.(the original author) at

[Link: pretentiousname.com]


You should also look at the post above by Wolfgang Scheele regarding the use of EDITBIN.EXE to increase stack size for ProntoEdit if you plan to include an extremely large number of tracks.

Regards,
Lyndel

Lyndel,
Can I see your word doc on how to do this. I downloaded your latest version but have a bastardization of the original graphics and your music note graphics. I am doing something wrong with the override directories or am missing some graphics (bmps). It almost works. (Importing a CSV file is no problem).
dag

David,


An HTML file was included in the zip that you should be able to open with any Web Browser. This doc was exported by MS Word from the original. There is nothing in the doc that is not in the HTML file.

With regard to your comment on "bastardization" of the graphics, I don't understand.

All BMP's necessary to do the Alphabet layout were included in the 2 embedded zip files in the docs. Note that only the graphics for the Alphabet panels were included, not any of the headers, etc. If you have a color remote, you are on your own for the headers and list items. CarlSr on this site has some graphics that he might be willing to share.

Enquiring minds want to know... What type of remote do you have?

If you have not looked at the HTML file, then please do so. If you have further questions/comments on the doc, I will attempt to answer them. If you have questions/comments regarding the docs, please email me directly. I can provide the MS Word doc but am unsure as to why you need it?

Lyndel

Questions and Answers for SNL

Thanks to Brad and for a wonderful discussion regarding the use of SNL and some of the more obscure features.

I recommend that any user of SNL read the following thread to get a better understanding of these features.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

Lyndel,
I unzipped the music notes graphics, buttons and background. I chose the small music notes option in supernudel. (I have the TSU6000 - prontopro).

When I jump to the list I have a starting screen with the music note layout - but all the buttons and the background are the original black and white nudel stuff?

And then (I think my small brain is starting to work) the sorted lists (panels) are all original nudel stuff until I put in graphics to override them? Is this what I should expect?
dag

David,

The 2 alphabet layout zip files contain embedded zip files that unzip all BMP files to to a folder named 'BMP'.

In order for the files to be used for the ProntoPro, the BMP files need to be copied into the following subdirectory(s).

Location of SuperNudelist.EXE\COLOR_Override\*.bmp

OR

Location of SuperNudelist.EXE\COLOR_Override\Your List Name\*.bmp

Sounds like you are getting the hang of it.

Lyndel

Lyndel,
I unzipped all the *.bmp's to \COLOR_Override\ subdirectory (82 files). I have the pronto pro. My list has my old name "CD List" in the CCF but I am not using a list specific directory. Is this the wrong directory? Is there a switch in the advanced list control I'm missing?
I keep getting the old b&w bmps. I am doing something incredibly stupid. . .
dag

SNL AND SINGLE CD PLAYER

Hi,

(as Lyndel suggested, I continue a previously separate thread in this one)

I am trying to get SNL to work with my normal Yamaha CD player (ie no jukebox), because I would like to have track selection by name instead of track number. I'm running into the following problems. Can anybody help me? I'm sure there are many jukebox-less people out there like me who want to use SNL!

The serious problems:

1: disc selection occurs, but shouldn't.
SNL seems to select the disc when I choose one. On my player, just some track gets selected. Can I shut disc selection off?

2: SNL doesn't seem to handle the +10 button for tracks. On my Yamaha, tracks higher than 10 can only be selected by pressing the +10 button the appropriate number of times, followed by the ending figure. Can I get this to work on SNL?


The minor problems:

A: I don't want to type all tracks of my 600+ CD base, so a CDDB/FreeDB interface would be VERY much appreciated.

B: I don't want to see disc numbers on the pronto
It's OK if they are assigned "internally", but
I don't want them on the user interface, since
they have no meaning to me.

thanks for any info/pointers,
Maarten


LYNDEL ANSWERED:
1 & B) There is no way to disable disc selection from SNL. You can, however hide the text on the Buttons by Unchecking the checkbox for Display Disc/Track Numbers on Buttons (Edit List or Advanced List Options Dialog)

2) The Before Track and After Track Entries for a Player are for the +10, etc. You set the Before Track (2 Digits) to >10 and you should be OK.

A) Use another program to export the CDDB stuff to a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and do the import from SNL.

I would be willing to cut a CUSTOM version of SNL just for you without Disc selection for a donation to Paypal. Email me for more details.

Lyndel McGee.


MAARTEN AGAIN:

Lyndel,

thanks for your quick response!

DISC SELECTION
Pity about the disc selection being hardwired. If only SNL didn't use the same number keys for both disc & track selection, then I would redirect the disc selection actions to some dummy device!
A toggle button to enable/disable disc selection (and disc number display) is another possible solution, maybe easier to implement.

+10 PROBLEM
I think we have two different meanings of the +10 key:
I understand from your post that in SNL, it is some kind of prefix. So for eg 39, you press +10 3 9. But on my Yamaha, you'd have to press +10 +10 +10 9.
Suggestion for a neat solution:
I have on my CD panel keys names "10" "11" "12" etc, with the appropriate +10-voodoo behind it. So maybe if SNL would recognize and use these buttons, all would be solved in a device-independent way.

CUSTOM VERSION
I'd suggest not making a custom version for me (but thanks for the offer anyhow!), because I think what I ask is for more genericity, which is good for everybody, especially for the enormous number of people out there without a jukebox!

I am very enthusiastic about SNL, and determined to get it to work for me. So if you don't have the time to implement my suggestions (or other solutions), which seems quite probable, I will probably build text-substitute filters for csf-files to get the behaviour I want.

If the sources are public, then I could also try adapting SNL generation itself. Are they public?

Lyndel, I have no problem paying you a modest fee for your work. First, I'll have to learn how this paypal thing works.

Maarten

Maarten,

The Kenwood disc selection algorithm is the one you need for Track as well. (Read the docs). I'll see what I can do.

Lyndel

Lyndel,
The money is on the way. Severe operator error on this end - when I was running supernudel I was using a B&W CCF. Afterward I would look at it in prontoedit in "color" and of course the supernudel stuff was B&W.
Finally saved my old CCF as color file and then ran supernudel - victory is mine.
dag

David,

Glad 2 hear u are up an' runnin'.