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OP | Post 16 made on Sunday February 1, 2009 at 15:54
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On February 1, 2009 at 12:27, mcn779 said...
I have no problem with evolution being taugth but it needs
to be taught correctly - as a theory.

Great idea, mcn779!

Maybe they could call it... Um... let me think... oh, wait, I've got it!

The Theory of Evolution!
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OP | Post 17 made on Sunday February 1, 2009 at 15:58
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On February 1, 2009 at 09:50, DHarmonyAV said...
What does Germ Theory equal?

Cleanliness is next to godliness!


David, do you follow PZ Myers Pharyngula blog?

I do now. Thanks!
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Post 18 made on Sunday February 1, 2009 at 16:55
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I quit believing in God, when I realized Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny were lies along with not seeing any hair growing on my palms after uh... nevermind.
"If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger."
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OP | Post 19 made on Sunday February 1, 2009 at 19:10
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On February 1, 2009 at 16:55, Mr. Stanley said...
I quit believing in God, when I realized Santa Claus,
The Easter Bunny were lies along with not seeing any hair
growing on my palms after uh... nevermind.

I quit believing when hair started growing on my Psalms.
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Post 20 made on Sunday February 1, 2009 at 19:15
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On February 1, 2009 at 15:54, davidcasemore said...
Great idea, mcn779!

Maybe they could call it... Um... let me think... oh,
wait, I've got it!

The Theory of Evolution!

But it isn't in the schools and by many of the people that support it. It's taught as a trueth.
Post 21 made on Sunday February 1, 2009 at 20:28
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On February 1, 2009 at 19:15, mcn779 said...
But it isn't in the schools and by many of the people
that support it. It's taught as a trueth.

Isn't belief in a "God" taught as a truth in religious school systems...?

...Even then, if you don't drink the koolaide they'll scare you into submission with the enternal damnation of an afterlife in HELL....

That's why I like what I call "realism". No scare tactics...just facts. You can believe them or not.
....Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Post 22 made on Sunday February 1, 2009 at 20:50
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Yes but you wouldn't put your child in parochial school unless you were a believer. While in public school it is part of the indoctrination regardless of your belief. My kids went to public school and had no problem passing the part of science that covered evolution. But it should be taught and ever specifically that it is only a theory.
Post 23 made on Sunday February 1, 2009 at 22:56
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Then don't put your child in the public school system if you have a problem with the way they handle the curriculum...easy.

You don't see parents complaining about religious teachings in religious schools. Even though (around here at least) part of their funding comes from the public tax dollars. However funds raised by religious groups never finds it's way into the public system. If you have a problem, move on to another pond that's designed for you and stop suggesting that the pond I swim in needs to be a certain way.

So... you wouldn't have a problem if the teacher at the beginning of the course said that its a theory? ...is that it?
....Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Post 24 made on Monday February 2, 2009 at 00:11
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I pay taxes that go to the schools I expect the subject matter to be taught correctly. Your correct as long as it's taught as this is a theory. I've said it before natural selection no problem and that was Darwins main thrust than evolution from a lower form of life to a higher. He did also say that I am as interested as anyone when I see that someone has found a new dinosaur and finding a link - true link - would be incredible but it hasn't happened. It's when you get down to the source of life and it being happenstance I do have a problem. Saying life evolved from nothing especially with out guidance is like saying a house just suddenly appeared neither is logical. It also flies in the face of the reality we see around us and laws of nature but that seems to be ignored.
Post 25 made on Monday February 2, 2009 at 01:22
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On February 2, 2009 at 00:11, mcn779 said...
Saying
life evolved from nothing especially with out guidance
is like saying a house just suddenly appeared neither
is logical. It also flies in the face of the reality
we see around us and laws of nature but that seems to
be ignored.

But isn't that what you're saying when you side on the religious angle of the arguement...? Evolution is all around us, happening constantly. The evolution of life starting as something simple and becoming complex seems to be universally accepted, even by you. Molecules that start as individuals can be forced to become a single whole by outside influences. This happens every day in labs around the world. Why is it so hard to have these common place concepts applied to the beginning of life? A qasi dead planet with various building blocks is affected by outside influence. Causing a chain reaction and forming life as we know it.

Science can explain practically everything that happens in this world. That has nothing to do with faith, it's factual. Religion explains nothing, and when religion is posed with a question as such. The answer is always..."you just have to believe, and/or have faith".

Maybe just maybe, if religion could start proving something...anything, to me. Without the need to interpret, or fills in blanks. Then I could maybe take a sip of koolaide, but as it is. The score is completely lop sided onto the science camp.

You'd have a better chance of trying to convince me that an alien needed a pit stop on his way to the intergalatic Ihop, and his space crap started the whole thing.
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OP | Post 26 made on Monday February 2, 2009 at 02:20
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On 1233551497, mcn779 said...
Saying life evolved from nothing especially with out guidance
is like saying a house just suddenly appeared neither
is logical.

This is my favorite argument because it makes no sense at all.

So you're saying life evolved from "something" with "guidance".

Unless you mean something different than everybody else that won't accept Evolution, I will assume that the "guidance" you refer to is god.

So, please, if you will, explain to me just who created your creator? You don't seem to see a need to apply your own logic to your own argument.
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OP | Post 27 made on Monday February 2, 2009 at 02:31
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On 1233551497, mcn779 said...
Saying life evolved from nothing...
... is like saying a house just suddenly appeared...

This is where ignorance can be dangerous.

There exists prefabricated homes that can be towed to an empty lot by a large truck. If a person sees an empty lot on Monday and then on Tuesday he sees it again and there is now a fully constructed house, then unless he is aware of prefabricated home builders he will probably claim that god must have put the house there. If, however, he knows about this type of home, or even if he knows that, in theory, they could be built, he won't find any need to invoke god.

*This post has been brought to you by "Habitat for Humanity by God". Houses in one day or less guaranteed! (Pray for your free information package).
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Post 28 made on Monday February 2, 2009 at 13:00
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So, please, if you will, explain to me just who created
your creator? You don't seem to see a need to apply your
own logic to your own argument.

Where did all the matter for the Big Bang come from? That's a response to your question and a challenge to your own ability to able logic.
OP | Post 29 made on Monday February 2, 2009 at 13:05
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On February 2, 2009 at 13:00, mcn779 said...
Where did all the matter for the Big Bang come from?

Wal-Mart?
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Post 30 made on Monday February 2, 2009 at 13:24
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Please not Wal-Mart than we are all doomed all 6,744,098,235 of us standing the 5 opens line while the other 305 are closed. Could this actually be hell?
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