This is a national tragedy in the making right now.

How some posters/people can only focus on partisanship / political agenda absolutely boggles my mind.

Maybe, while watching a Facebook live-steam of a loved one's funeral in the coming weeks, it might occur to them that they should have had different priorities back at an earlier stage of the epidemic.

Sadly, this post is likely going to be deemed as 'fear-mongering' and ignored.

Actually this isn't correct at all. The 60.8 million is an "estimate" that the CDC came up with a couple years after the end of the pandemic for their after report. it is "thought" through analysis of data and after event statistics that as many as 60.8 million people in the US likely had H1N1 though they were never tested nor confirmed. The number of actual tested confirmed/hosptialized cases per the CDC was roughly 240,000 with 12,400 deaths.

Currently we are only testing people that show symptoms and are also in a high risk group so in order to compare the two statistic sets we have to throw out the 60.8 million in the case of H1N1 and use the confirmed and hospitalized number of 240k. If you use those numbers in the same way that we are currently using the COVID stats H1N1 had a 5.1% death rate.

Currently no one knows how many people actually have it, might have it, had it but had symptoms that were so mild it wasn't even noticed and so on. Once this is over I suspect that the CDC and others will do random antibody tests just to try to tease out a numerical range of how many people "may have" contracted this virus and I wouldn't be surprised if the mortality rate will be greatly decreased as that info comes to light.

Heck even when you look at the regular flu the CDC says that so far this flu season 22 million people have had it, that is also an estimation and not actual test results, however 210,000 people have been hospitalized with it and 12,000 have died. Using the current COVID math that is a 5.7% death rate. From contagion online: "Recent estimates indicate that of the 22 million flu cases in the US thus far, 210,000 hospitalizations have occurred, and 12,000 deaths have been reported. In total, there have been 78 pediatric deaths so far this season, with 10 new deaths reported last week."

Dissecting the good info from the bad on this site is overwhelming!

We had a run of the flu thru our house a month or so ago. It was bad. For me, I was working out of town, when I was on the way home, my wife said dont come here, so I went to the farm for a few more days. It took about nine days to run its full course thru my house. I dodged the bullet.

It makes a lot of sense that this could have already been around for a while.

At the end of the day, we are all Americans, maybe we could drop the politics and act like it. I would sure help out anyone, regardless of their politics. No President, regardless of which side of the aisle that they are on, would want this for the country.

I can sure bet if this country was attacked, that we would all be fighting in the trenches together, and would not give a damn about politics anymore!

Just look at WWII.

my nickel,
RR

Pretty sure he's entertaining himself by saying things he know will get you all riled up. LOL

Thank you for putting what I couldn’t into words. Now if people could logically see this, and understand this, then we don’t have to destroy the us/global economy. At this point, the damage has been done, but we can mitigate the risks.

We need to be following the South Korean model where they bent the curve in under 3 weeks. The math works for us to, and in many cases, in populated cities,quarantine can be worse. Itally is figuring that out.

Hell, even Washington state started acting and is seeing a decline in cases.

Reaction times are critical when a disease is spreading exponentially. There is community transmission (where no specific source can be found for a individual's infection) in the US already, and it is likely widespread.

If we look at the Italian timeline March 1 was the first day they quarantined regions. The total deaths at that point was 41.

March 9 is when the whole country was locked down, everything non-essential was closed. Total deaths were 463.

The US population is ~5 times the size of Italy. As of right now the total deaths are 288 which is about 7 times as many deaths as Italy's March 1 number. I don't know if there is more or less or the same amount of community transmission in US now compared to Italy on March 1. I also don't know if the US population as a whole is more or less or the same in vulnerability compared to Italy (underlying medical issues, average age of population, obesity, smoking etc). If they are both similar, then the US is about March 1-3 in the Italian timeline.

This is all simple math but if the US completely locks down in 6-8 days then we are still in line with the Italian model which is not good. This is why speed is essential.

Here is a good data site:

[Link: worldometers.info]

The problem with following the S. Korea model is that they jumped on it immediately. Unfortunately this administration tried to ignore reality and downplayed it. Remember when the President said we had 15 cases and would be down to Zero shortly. How did that work out? The economic crisis would have happened no matter who was president. He just exacerbated it with pressure on the Fed months ago to lower interest rates when it was not necessary. Once you hit 0.0%, there is no where to go.

He tried by banning travel from China, he was, of course called a racist and a xenophobe for doing so, yet, our own doctors praised him as this could have been even worse then it has been. Political correctness strikes again, and even Trump was a victim of it.

He should have shut down the borders then and contained hotspots where Chinese businessmen/women/tourist frequented, IE Washington, NYC, Silicon Valley, etc. this started in China, he should have said f!ck the media and PC, I’m shutting those spots down now. And yes, just as the Spanish flu, this is the Chinese virus. It originated IN China. Like hell does China get to wash their hands of this, they covered it up. When we come out of it, Trump gets to say, SEE this is what I’ve been saying, we CANNOT rely on China anymore, this is why we need to get everything that we can brought back into this country.

I’m not particularly thrilled on his response and handling of it, and I’m pretty pissed about the thought to get cash in the hands of Americans, when in reality, it’s going todo squat. But, he reacted much much quicker then the outbreaks that happened under Obama. We can all armchair quarterback this, in the end, this world has never been through this before, especially in this day in age. There have been some common sense mistakes that have been made, but to destroy the global and us economy over this is absolutely absurd, this is not Ebola

Not at all my friend, we all just need to be smart and move the world forward, cautiously. This is not an end of times virus. On the other hand we cant turn off the world. How about caution mongering, I can live with that.

I do agree with all of this. I just think some people need a harder wake-up call than others.

False

Welcome to the internet.

This thread has "coronavirus" as the title. Check the title of this site. It's "REMOTE CENTRAL". If someone wants to read about COVID-19 they have a bout 3 billion other options.

The week that this post was created our president was telling everyone that this was all fake news. Then the next few pages of this thread are filled with the sheep who believed the trickle down twittler "nothing burger" nonsense with their ZERO_SCIENCE_MEDICINE_DEGREE skepticism about whether this is "typical rather than extraordinary."

Then 2 people chime in with information about how serious it is and we have another nut job posting "Sky is falling.....the sky is falling!!! "

Then a few pages later we have an video from a well known industry person who has tested positive with the nothing burger. Then the conversation shifts to millenials being lazy and bad drivers and self checkout and stock tips.

Then David posted a list of quotes from important morons...


Then Tom chimed in and suggested David stick to tech stuff (everyone should take that advice). Then KOT told you to quit panicking followed by some back and forth about math.

Then Burton tells us we are all going to die. Then one of our resident tin foil people chimes in telling us to watch out for chem trails and to follow the money.

Then Mario tells us its a nothing burger. Then Ed chimes in reminding us that its all just fear porn and then Archie comes back with more jade helm and building 7.

Thats why people hate off topic bull s#i& at forums dedicated to specific topics.

And if Trump can take credit for the economy when he was one week on the job my corona virus meme is true.

BTW the total number of cases is now at 22,177 . Some nothing burger.

Well thank you, the internet now makes sense for me.

This is not the only discussion forum I am involved in. It is certainly the most dysfunctional / irrational in regards to this topic. You summary of it is actually quite funny. If I have come across in some state of panic, I can assure I am not. Peace out.

This is the follow up to my link from about 10 days ago.  The fist one turned out to be quite accurate.  Read them both.  I'll post both for those that are interested.

[Link: medium.com]

[Link: medium.com]