Ernie, Brad I am terribly sorry the composition, and grammar not to mention the making of a separate thread, for this I am truly sorry that I have made you read through both threads. And oh yes Ernie I am most certainly paying attention. What I find more pathetic is that after doing all of that you two could only be condescending douchebags, so as my former commanding officer used to say..Go f*ck yourselves..

The speakers would still be the limiting factor- they can't handle unlimited power and at some point, they will puke.

Aren't Triads mid to high end? Clipping that Onkyo is the death of it plus the speakers that get clipped audio. You certainly know what clipped audio does to tweeters. Get him a ton of clean power. You stand a chance of keeping the Triads happy. Run any AVR into clipping... nah, you are dead.

The Onkyo even has preamp outs...

Where is everyone extrapolating information that leads them to believe this mid-fi system requires anything more than your average 100ish wpc AVR? I see an average system with average components and in-wall speaker cables...

Any thoughts or suggestions other than run?

So my esteemed brethren, I pose this question to you all, knowing his penchant for extremes, whose amplifier/ s do you like for this particular situation.

Ernie, Brad I am terribly sorry the composition, and grammar not to mention the making of a separate thread, for this I am truly sorry that I have made you read through both threads. And oh yes Ernie I am most certainly paying attention. What I find more pathetic is that after doing all of that you two could only be condescending douchebags,

I find it amusing that you can dictate what your "eccentric" clients are allowed to buy, and God bless you if you have that power.

Unfortunately some of us are just happy to get clients that actually have money to spend, and yes I aspire to be as great as some think they are on here, so I can pick and choose whom I chose to do work for, but unfortunately I have to play the cards I have been dealt.

For those who actually offered me something I could use, I thank you, as for the Ernie and Bradley I believe I have already made my point no need to belabor it..

Ernie, Brad I am terribly sorry the composition, and grammar not to mention the making of a separate thread, for this I am truly sorry that I have made you read through both threads. And oh yes Ernie I am most certainly paying attention. What I find more pathetic is that after doing all of that you two could only be condescending douchebags, so as my former commanding officer used to say..Go f*ck yourselves..

I find it amusing that you can dictate what your "eccentric" clients are allowed to buy, and God bless you if you have that power. Unfortunately some of us are just happy to get clients that actually have money to spend, and yes I aspire to be as great as some think they are on here, so I can pick and choose whom I chose to do work for, but unfortunately I have to play the cards I have been dealt.

Tweeterguy and kgossen, those where were I was leaning, and highfigh I realize the speakers are what they are, if I had my choice I would have passed on the whole deal..

Tomciara I understand what you're saying and will take onboard anything useful for sure.

For those who actually offered me something I could use, I thank you, as for the Ernie and Bradley I believe I have already made my point no need to belabor it..

Where they fall in the market means nothing because all speakers and crossover components have limits to what they can take and a ton of clean power will kill the woofers and/or the crossover caps if they're only rated for 50V. E²/R=312.5W @8 Ohms- not a super accurate way to determine power handling, but it's close enough for government work. More speakers and high power is a better way to increase the output but that may not be an option. Big speakers would have been better, but....

When people are drunk, all bets are off. It's too bad this kind of system abuse couldn't have been anticipated before the design phase.

Read the description of the situation- the guy gets hammered and cranks the snot out of it, past the limits of the AVR, which has apparently puked. Drunk DOES NOT = normal or average. Go to a bar that plays rock music and watch the bartender(s) try to get more out of the audio system as the night goes on- not only do they not know why they might blow up the equipment, they don't care (unless they're the owner or have been warned by the owner). It's not going to be loud enough until it's too loud and at that point, for this guy, it'll be just right.

Ah, I now see I have to read another thread to get all the info about the install in THIS thread and also notice it's been edited. I now see some of you have more info that isn't shared in either thread too, so it appears. Oh well...good luck with all of that !

I know that it seems counter intuitive to turn business down, but some clients might be too "expensive" for you in terms of (unpaid) time and effort you will spend attempting to satisfy their demands and damage to your reputation after they badmouth you to everyone they know because you "sold shoddy equipment", "didn't stand behind your product", "couldn't solve the 'problem' ", ...
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We once took on an existing system that "wasn't working right". We were recommended to the client by a contractor working on the site. This was a high end contractor with whom we had a good working relationship and previous successful projects. (In the end I think that the contractor wished that he had turned down the project) The customer was a pharmaceutical heir with a staff of five full time employees running his house. Availability of funds was not an issue. Unfortunately, attitude and willingness to spend funds turned out to be major problems.

The installed system was difficult for him to operate. There were multiple rooms and, in our opinion, changing a couple pieces and installing a universal RF based remote could have solved his 'problems.' The fundamental issue was that he would not point the remote in the proper direction or hold it stationary until the macro commands finished spewing their IR. "I shouldn't need to do that" was his retort to any suggestions that we made. He was correct about "I shouldn't need to do that", but to get there he would need to spend some money, but "I bought good equipment and it should work -- make it work". We went around in circles until he fired us.

We have a good reputation in the area with both customers and dealers. I know that he mounted a major bad mouthing campaign about us because over the following weeks three different dealers contacted us regarding this project. All of us had exactly the same conclusion (Operator issues, won't spend money or change habits). Two of the dealers walked away, the third attempted to fix things, but was not being paid for equipment delivered.

I can't imagine how much business we lost because he bad mouthed us to his wealthy friends.

On the first cut it may seem counter intuitive to walk away from any potential customer. The point that I'm making is that, if one can identify this sort of potential (bad) client in advance, it is long term more profitable for your business if you walk away from the job before becoming involved. Do this gently, perhaps saying that "we don't carry the equipment that you need", and recommend that he work with another dealer (usually a dealer that we don't like). I can remember one potential client that I gently turned away, but told him where to go and what to buy. About two weeks later he brought a friend to the store, telling the friend to "buy your system here." (and he did) Over the years I've had several referrals from the customer that I turned away.

The AVR with the Preamp is the direction I'm heading. As far as him badmouthing us to other rich folks, not an issue as he has no friends, and the ones he does have know his "issues", I have talked with his wife, and she is very happy with us and appreciates how we deal with her husband, as one can imagine they tend to go through various contractors. Again hindsight being 20/20 I would've passed, it began when we installed a camera system went off without a hitch and then he wanted to do this.

Buzz & 3Ped - I agree with you both, but again when you're trying to pay bills stay afloat, support 2 family members, 4 dogs, 2 employees and their families, it gets hard to turn down a check..

Ah, I now see I have to read another thread to get all the info about the install in THIS thread and also notice it's been edited. I now see some of you have more info that isn't shared in either thread too, so it appears. Oh well...good luck with all of that !

The AVR with the Preamp is the direction I'm heading.

I find it amusing that you can dictate what your "eccentric" clients are allowed to buy, and God bless you if you have that power.