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Ok, there been a new development in crazy-I mean-eccentric town
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Post 1 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 12:27
The Lizardking Part II
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As I screwed up the update on the past post I figured that new post would hopefully not cause more confusion...I have the smoked Onkyo 1030 headed back for repairs/ replacement? My boy was starting early yesterday and by 10:30am when I talked to him he was already a little "under the weather", allergies I believe he said. He no longer trusts the Onkyo, and wants something "morebetter??"

So my esteemed brethren, I pose this question to you all, knowing his penchant for extremes, whose amplifier/ s do you like for this particular situation. The Triads (Silver series) in-wall are staying, the wife likes the look..sources are, directv, cd player, Xbox One all going to a Sammy 65" controlled via a URC MX990. I know that this isn't necessarily what "you would do" but these are the cards I am are dealt, so I got no choice. I am re-running all the speaker wire as I will not warranty someone else's work and want to eliminate ANY possibility of any wire related issues. Going with 14/4 & 14/2 for the wire..
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Post 2 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 12:55
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What is the question? What is morebetter than Onkyo? Just about anything.

Stick with Yamaha RX-A series or Sony ES...hell I'd even do a Harman Kardon* over Onkyo.




* bordering on the not just about anything side.
Post 3 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 13:05
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On January 14, 2017 at 12:55, tweeterguy said...
What is the question? What is morebetter than Onkyo? Just about anything.

Well said! Although they do make great door stops.



Stick with Yamaha RX-A series or Sony ES...hell I'd even do a Harman Kardon* over Onkyo.

I don't know about HK but Yamaha and Sony are a go to.
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Post 4 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 13:07
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Post 5 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 13:23
Ernie Gilman
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On January 14, 2017 at 12:27, The Lizardking Part II said...
As I screwed up the update on the past post I figured that new post would hopefully not cause more confusion...

As Isaid in the other thread, these are conversations. The clearest thing you could have done would have been to make this your most recent post in that thread. Oh, well.

I have the smoked Onkyo 1030 headed back for repairs/ replacement? My boy was starting early yesterday and by 10:30am when I talked to him he was already a little "under the weather", allergies I believe he said. He no longer trusts the Onkyo, and wants something "morebetter??"

Huh? Who is your boy and what do his allergies have to do with this thread? If your boy your customer, or a tech you sent to the site? Your unidentified boy is defining whether the Onkyo is kept?

So my esteemed brethren, I pose this question to you all, knowing his penchant for extremes,

I get from this that "his" means your customer. Are you allowing him to choose the brand he's getting?

I think you should reread the other thread's recommendations (another reason to expand a thread instead of starting an additional one) and follow that advice.

whose amplifier/ s do you like for this particular situation. The Triads (Silver series) in-wall are staying, the wife likes the look..sources are, directv, cd player, Xbox One all going to a Sammy 65" controlled via a URC MX990. I know that this isn't necessarily what "you would do" but these are the cards I am are dealt, so I got no choice. I am re-running all the speaker wire as I will not warranty someone else's work and want to eliminate ANY possibility of any wire related issues. Going with 14/4 & 14/2 for the wire..

One major thing to help the situation is to be damn sure you have enough clean power to give the guy the volume he's going to try to get. Under-powered amps blow speakers way before over-powered amps. When an amp clips, the energy going to the tweeters increases dramatically.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 6 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 14:13
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He sounds like a good candidate for a pre/pro and amplifier combo to me. I'd go Marantz pre/pro and amplifiers by Parasound, Bel Canto or AudioControl.

Last edited by Mogul on January 14, 2017 18:29.
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Post 7 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 14:30
Ernie Gilman
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Mogul,
Something along those lines has already been suggested and he's not paying attention. I guess it's not the solution he wants to hear.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 8 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 16:55
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All I can say is, this guy has no idea how to use a forum board. If I had not read the original post (and remembered it) and the 2nd 'edit', I would be shaking my head going "WTF!"

People like that are why some forum boards take away the edit button. Because some people don't have enough common sense to us it properly.
This thread is now a jumbled mess of undecipherable crap, to anyone just reading it.

- NEVERMIND - dude started a completely new thread with similar title. *facepalm*
Post 9 made on Saturday January 14, 2017 at 18:11
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No integrated receiver is the right solution here. Pay attention to what people are telling you - preamp processor and some super sturdy amplifiers. Even some industrial-strength amps like two or three crown XLS series.
There is no truth anymore. Only assertions. The internet world has no interest in truth, only vindication for preconceived assumptions.
Post 10 made on Sunday January 15, 2017 at 00:00
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On January 14, 2017 at 13:23, Ernie Gilman said...

Huh? Who is your boy and what do his allergies have to do with this thread? If your boy your customer, or a tech you sent to the site? Your unidentified boy is defining whether the Onkyo is kept?

You didn't read the original post, did you? Don't take it quite so literally.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 11 made on Sunday January 15, 2017 at 00:01
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This guy will never be satisfied unless he stops drinking. Get it working, create a getaway plan and run. Run like the wind!
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 12 made on Sunday January 15, 2017 at 00:02
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On January 14, 2017 at 18:11, tomciara said...
No integrated receiver is the right solution here. Pay attention to what people are telling you - preamp processor and some super sturdy amplifiers. Even some industrial-strength amps like two or three crown XLS series.

The speakers would still be the limiting factor- they can't handle unlimited power and at some point, they will puke.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 13 made on Sunday January 15, 2017 at 00:12
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Where is everyone extrapolating information that leads them to believe this mid-fi system requires anything more than your average 100ish wpc AVR? I see an average system with average components and in-wall speaker cables...
OP | Post 14 made on Sunday January 15, 2017 at 02:18
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Ernie, Brad I am terribly sorry the composition, and grammar not to mention the making of a separate thread, for this I am truly sorry that I have made you read through both threads. And oh yes Ernie I am most certainly paying attention. What I find more pathetic is that after doing all of that you two could only be condescending douchebags, so as my former commanding officer used to say..Go f*ck yourselves..

I find it amusing that you can dictate what your "eccentric" clients are allowed to buy, and God bless you if you have that power. Unfortunately some of us are just happy to get clients that actually have money to spend, and yes I aspire to be as great as some think they are on here, so I can pick and choose whom I chose to do work for, but unfortunately I have to play the cards I have been dealt.

Tweeterguy and kgossen, those where were I was leaning, and highfigh I realize the speakers are what they are, if I had my choice I would have passed on the whole deal..

Tomciara I understand what you're saying and will take onboard anything useful for sure.

For those who actually offered me something I could use, I thank you, as for the Ernie and Bradley I believe I have already made my point no need to belabor it..
Seth Goyne
Post 15 made on Sunday January 15, 2017 at 09:02
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On January 15, 2017 at 02:18, The Lizardking Part II said...
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I find it amusing that you can dictate what your "eccentric" clients are allowed to buy, and God bless you if you have that power. Unfortunately some of us are just happy to get clients that actually have money to spend, and yes I aspire to be as great as some think they are on here, so I can pick and choose whom I chose to do work for, but unfortunately I have to play the cards I have been dealt.

Tweeterguy and kgossen, those where were I was leaning, and highfigh I realize the speakers are what they are, if I had my choice I would have passed on the whole deal..

...

I know that it seems counter intuitive to turn business down, but some clients might be too "expensive" for you in terms of (unpaid) time and effort you will spend attempting to satisfy their demands and damage to your reputation after they badmouth you to everyone they know because you "sold shoddy equipment", "didn't stand behind your product", "couldn't solve the 'problem' ", ...
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We once took on an existing system that "wasn't working right". We were recommended to the client by a contractor working on the site. This was a high end contractor with whom we had a good working relationship and previous successful projects. (In the end I think that the contractor wished that he had turned down the project) The customer was a pharmaceutical heir with a staff of five full time employees running his house. Availability of funds was not an issue. Unfortunately, attitude and willingness to spend funds turned out to be major problems.

The installed system was difficult for him to operate. There were multiple rooms and, in our opinion, changing a couple pieces and installing a universal RF based remote could have solved his 'problems.' The fundamental issue was that he would not point the remote in the proper direction or hold it stationary until the macro commands finished spewing their IR. "I shouldn't need to do that" was his retort to any suggestions that we made. He was correct about "I shouldn't need to do that", but to get there he would need to spend some money, but "I bought good equipment and it should work -- make it work". We went around in circles until he fired us.

We have a good reputation in the area with both customers and dealers. I know that he mounted a major bad mouthing campaign about us because over the following weeks three different dealers contacted us regarding this project. All of us had exactly the same conclusion (Operator issues, won't spend money or change habits). Two of the dealers walked away, the third attempted to fix things, but was not being paid for equipment delivered.

I can't imagine how much business we lost because he bad mouthed us to his wealthy friends.

On the first cut it may seem counter intuitive to walk away from any potential customer. The point that I'm making is that, if one can identify this sort of potential (bad) client in advance, it is long term more profitable for your business if you walk away from the job before becoming involved. Do this gently, perhaps saying that "we don't carry the equipment that you need", and recommend that he work with another dealer (usually a dealer that we don't like). I can remember one potential client that I gently turned away, but told him where to go and what to buy. About two weeks later he brought a friend to the store, telling the friend to "buy your system here." (and he did) Over the years I've had several referrals from the customer that I turned away.
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