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Post 91 made on Friday December 30, 2016 at 10:32
goldenzrule
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On December 30, 2016 at 10:04, Impaqt said...
There's no such thing as a home with 5 or fewer network devices nowadays.

If your clients are using 39 dollar routers and everything works "great", but after you put in a 2k network things DONT work great, you are doing something wrong.

Fact is, shit does indeed go wrong all the time with the $39 routers, but they dont know who to call. so they deal with it best they can. they start unplugging things. They move to a different room. they do something else. and guess what, it works later.

your scenario is silly. a GTR is completely impractical for the scenario you describe. Anyone who buys a GTR, I guarantee you WANTED that car.

a basic routers is more akin to a 10 year old high mileage but "Well maintained" used vehicle. If all you need is a commuter, wouldn't that do it for ya? why spend the extra money on a new car at all? Sure, you might have to pull to the side of the road and call a tow truck every now and then, but you'll get there right?

Our 2k networks ARE the Versa... (Actually, can we be the Altima at least? its not really THAT much more)

I guess attitude plays a big part in things like this as well.
I LOVE it when clients call me. Even if its something mundane. It gives me a chance to show them why they spent a little extra money and opens up opportunities to provide more services and equipment.

Just yesterday, I got a call from a long time Client. His iPhone stopped communicating with his Savant system. everything thing else seemed to be working just fine. His remote worked, His ipad worked. he could browse the web just fine on his phone and the wifi signal was lit up.....

Turned out his phone had jumped onto a backup wifi signal he had installed (his backup AT&T dsl router that WE didnt install! OMG!). 2 minutes of trouble shooting and he was back in business and I was the hero.... again...

I've been in this business for 25 years and I still love helping my clients.

So yeah, gonna sell the better network every time I can.

Then we will have to agree to disagree. I have many clients over the age of 65 that have flip phones for cell, a computer that never gets turned on, and are just learning about this thing called Netflix their kid insisted they try. These houses DO have maybe 5 items on the network, if not less.

Btw, where did you pull the $39 price point? Ubiquiti sold routers in that price range that people loved until there was a security issue with them. Most consumer routers i see are between $70 and $100. Price isn't really the point anyway.
Post 92 made on Friday December 30, 2016 at 10:52
Impaqt
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On December 30, 2016 at 10:32, goldenzrule said...
Then we will have to agree to disagree. I have many clients over the age of 65 that have flip phones for cell, a computer that never gets turned on, and are just learning about this thing called Netflix their kid insisted they try. These houses DO have maybe 5 items on the network, if not less.

ok

Btw, where did you pull the $39 price point? Ubiquiti sold routers in that price range that people loved until there was a security issue with them. Most consumer routers i see are between $70 and $100. Price isn't really the point anyway.

$39... $79.... Same difference. People simple accept the fact that they sometimes need to reboot them or that they just dont work that well.

the Ubiqiti (Much like the Mikrotik) are different animals. Straight routers first off, and they REQUIRE specific training and knowledge for setup and deployment.

That $39 in hardware is easily $200-300 by the time its deployed.
I'm no engineer, but I did stay at a Motel 6 last night!
Post 93 made on Friday December 30, 2016 at 12:49
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Ok, calm down y'all. There's no reason to get all uppity. :)

I think we're just talking about different clients here. Also, we're arguing about what we sell to Joe Blow, rather than what Joe Actually Needs. Senior Boomers in a small townhome or similar, keep it as simple as possible. Suburban 2-story, no finished basement, may not need a $2000 network. Sometimes it's just hard enough to get 2k out of someone for the first job they called for. The basement I just finished last week, I ran a hardline from their Century Link router down to a small switch and out to their TV, and XBox.

To contrast, the jobs I envision Roddy working on in the mountains, 5-10k sq ft winter homes, Of Course, great network. Or any giant place for that matter....
"Every word you just said was wrong." ~ Luke Skywalker
Post 94 made on Friday December 30, 2016 at 15:04
andrewinboulder
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On December 29, 2016 at 12:50, Impaqt said...
3 Pro access points is half that. Installation, Setup, Configuration, maintinace contract.... How does it not get to 2k?

Yeah, I can see that. I guess I was just thinking about it as 2k in gear for an "entry level house/customer". You can get dual band Ubiquiti AP's for $140 each, then the router with built in POE for around $160, the cloud key is another $90 or so.

Obviously there is going to be labor associated, which can really add up.

I can see doing this in a larger house, where signal can be an issue due to architecture.

In the more standard sized townhome/house, I can't see doing this, unless I'm just creating more work for myself.

A router like this would cover a house like that easily, and is probably way overkill, with a fraction of the cost, and a fraction of the labor.

[Link: amazon.com]

My point is, if your educating the customer, you're giving them both options. You can either pay for a more expensive network solution with full support, or you can use a standard router, and them pay me if you need help.
Post 95 made on Saturday December 31, 2016 at 10:54
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Man this thread got way off topic. Anyways carry on lol!
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