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Post 31 made on Thursday December 22, 2016 at 23:06
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Don't forget reversing the channel and volume buttons. Why has that still not been changed? Do they refuse to admit it was a dumb design?
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Post 32 made on Thursday December 22, 2016 at 23:16
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On December 22, 2016 at 23:06, Fins said...
Don't forget reversing the channel and volume buttons. Why has that still not been changed? Do they refuse to admit it was a dumb design?

Ugh, I was on a job last week installing client provided gear. He had a T2Cs and RP1. I was pulling my hair out trying to get the damn volume to work, until I looked at the friggin remote and was like OH YEAH!!!!
Post 33 made on Friday December 23, 2016 at 10:16
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What does that HR200 run price-wise, and how does the processor price out for a smaller system?
Post 34 made on Friday December 23, 2016 at 19:04
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It's very funny. I have the opposite situation.

I have a client with c4 and its my biggest headache. I'm there atleast once a month.

I have an RTI system put in 2010 still running. All the same equipment. When we heard about white screen issue we sent both t3+ back. At separate times.

I have a c4 system put in 6 months before that. It had to be upgraded to all new controllers and touchscreens. And last month had to upgrade to 2.8 at a cost of a $1000. Just so he could keep napster working.
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Post 35 made on Friday December 23, 2016 at 20:10
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Well, there is always the greener pasture,,,,,somewhere,,,no? :)
Post 36 made on Sunday December 25, 2016 at 10:27
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On December 23, 2016 at 10:16, andrewinboulder said...
What does that HR200 run price-wise, and how does the processor price out for a smaller system?

Currently, there is nothing in their lineup that really competes with the entry level C4 processor/remote combo. At retail the basic processor and remote would run around $1600. That said, it is a fantastic remote, and a processor capable of scaling up to a very decent system.

Rumor is a more entry level remote is on the way, and hopefully they will put together a sub $1k package using the existing g1 controller to create theater systems, etc.
Post 37 made on Sunday December 25, 2016 at 10:34
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On December 25, 2016 at 10:27, KeithDBrown said...
Currently, there is nothing in their lineup that really competes with the entry level C4 processor/remote combo. At retail the basic processor and remote would run around $1600. That said, it is a fantastic remote, and a processor capable of scaling up to a very decent system.

Rumor is a more entry level remote is on the way, and hopefully they will put together a sub $1k package using the existing g1 controller to create theater systems, etc.

The g1 comes with an IR remote. Retail, around $700
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Post 38 made on Sunday December 25, 2016 at 17:25
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On December 25, 2016 at 10:34, Fins said...
The g1 comes with an IR remote. Retail, around $700

While true, I wouldn't sell it to a client personally, just like I wouldn't sell a SR-150 if I was a C4 dealer. I'm sure it works for some situations, but it feels like lateral move from the remote that comes free with a DTV receiver.
OP | Post 39 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 09:12
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So far it's between Elan and URC. I need numerical on the remote; this rules out Control 4 and Savant. How is reliability on Elan compared to RTI? I think URC is more or less the same from a research few years back. How is their IP drivers library?
Post 40 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 11:52
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On December 26, 2016 at 09:12, Krassyg said...
So far it's between Elan and URC. I need numerical on the remote; this rules out Control 4 and Savant. How is reliability on Elan compared to RTI? I think URC is more or less the same from a research few years back. How is their IP drivers library?

Control4's handheld does have a numbers keypad. I think this is a glaring omission on Savant's part, but at least they have a handheld finally. We have installed a few of Crestron's TSR 302's with success. I just wrapped up a project with 9 of these in the system.
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Post 41 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 12:32
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On December 26, 2016 at 09:12, Krassyg said...
So far it's between Elan and URC. I need numerical on the remote; this rules out Control 4 and Savant. How is reliability on Elan compared to RTI? I think URC is more or less the same from a research few years back. How is their IP drivers library?

Having taken over a number of TC and RTI systems I would highly recommend ELAN. Very reliable, and those things that have had issues ELAN has taken care of. Total Control just runs to slowly for me. Button press...wait....button press....wait....scroll...scroll...button press.....wait...
Post 42 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 12:40
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On December 25, 2016 at 17:25, KeithDBrown said...
While true, I wouldn't sell it to a client personally, just like I wouldn't sell a SR-150 if I was a C4 dealer. I'm sure it works for some situations, but it feels like lateral move from the remote that comes free with a DTV receiver.

How is it a lateral move? You can't turn on your AVR, TV, and source and select correct inputs with one button press on the DTV remote. All programming and events is stored on the processor. You still get two way smart macros, IP, serial, and IR control of your AVR and sources, and OSD that lets you control other sub systems. It to mention tablet and smartphone control.
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Post 43 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 12:59
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On December 26, 2016 at 09:12, Krassyg said...
So far it's between Elan and URC. I need numerical on the remote; this rules out Control 4 and Savant. How is reliability on Elan compared to RTI? I think URC is more or less the same from a research few years back. How is their IP drivers library?

The Elan IP library is pretty good. It's also expanding very rapidly now that they opened up to allow 3rd party programming.
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Post 44 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 13:02
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On December 26, 2016 at 12:32, KeithDBrown said...
Having taken over a number of TC and RTI systems I would highly recommend ELAN. Very reliable, and those things that have had issues ELAN has taken care of. Total Control just runs to slowly for me. Button press...wait....button press....wait....scroll...scroll...button press.....wait...

In what scenario have you seen that response, and with what TC interfaces?
Post 45 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 13:04
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On December 26, 2016 at 12:40, Fins said...
How is it a lateral move? You can't turn on your AVR, TV, and source and select correct inputs with one button press on the DTV remote. All programming and events is stored on the processor. You still get two way smart macros, IP, serial, and IR control of your AVR and sources, and OSD that lets you control other sub systems. It to mention tablet and smartphone control.

I just had this conversation with a client when he wanted an IT system installed on top of the control system. I had popped in to check on the house and found the 2 surround systems were still on after they had left several weeks before. One of the devices left on was the projector. A good way to kill bulb life...

Granted, I think sales sold him the wrong control system in the first place.
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