Don't forget reversing the channel and volume buttons. Why has that still not been changed? Do they refuse to admit it was a dumb design?

Ugh, I was on a job last week installing client provided gear. He had a T2Cs and RP1. I was pulling my hair out trying to get the damn volume to work, until I looked at the friggin remote and was like OH YEAH!!!!

What does that HR200 run price-wise, and how does the processor price out for a smaller system?

It's very funny. I have the opposite situation.

I have a client with c4 and its my biggest headache. I'm there atleast once a month.

I have an RTI system put in 2010 still running. All the same equipment. When we heard about white screen issue we sent both t3+ back. At separate times.

I have a c4 system put in 6 months before that. It had to be upgraded to all new controllers and touchscreens. And last month had to upgrade to 2.8 at a cost of a $1000. Just so he could keep napster working.

Well, there is always the greener pasture,,,,,somewhere,,,no? :)

Currently, there is nothing in their lineup that really competes with the entry level C4 processor/remote combo. At retail the basic processor and remote would run around $1600. That said, it is a fantastic remote, and a processor capable of scaling up to a very decent system.

Rumor is a more entry level remote is on the way, and hopefully they will put together a sub $1k package using the existing g1 controller to create theater systems, etc.

The g1 comes with an IR remote. Retail, around $700

While true, I wouldn't sell it to a client personally, just like I wouldn't sell a SR-150 if I was a C4 dealer. I'm sure it works for some situations, but it feels like lateral move from the remote that comes free with a DTV receiver.

So far it's between Elan and URC. I need numerical on the remote; this rules out Control 4 and Savant. How is reliability on Elan compared to RTI? I think URC is more or less the same from a research few years back. How is their IP drivers library?

Control4's handheld does have a numbers keypad. I think this is a glaring omission on Savant's part, but at least they have a handheld finally. We have installed a few of Crestron's TSR 302's with success. I just wrapped up a project with 9 of these in the system.

Having taken over a number of TC and RTI systems I would highly recommend ELAN. Very reliable, and those things that have had issues ELAN has taken care of. Total Control just runs to slowly for me. Button press...wait....button press....wait....scroll...scroll...button press.....wait...

How is it a lateral move? You can't turn on your AVR, TV, and source and select correct inputs with one button press on the DTV remote. All programming and events is stored on the processor. You still get two way smart macros, IP, serial, and IR control of your AVR and sources, and OSD that lets you control other sub systems. It to mention tablet and smartphone control.

The Elan IP library is pretty good. It's also expanding very rapidly now that they opened up to allow 3rd party programming.

In what scenario have you seen that response, and with what TC interfaces?

I just had this conversation with a client when he wanted an IT system installed on top of the control system. I had popped in to check on the house and found the 2 surround systems were still on after they had left several weeks before. One of the devices left on was the projector. A good way to kill bulb life...

Granted, I think sales sold him the wrong control system in the first place.