Given that they are happening all around your house, have you checked your cameras to see if you are sleep-burglaring perhaps? Go look in the attic and make sure all of the stolen goods aren't up there.

Love the Tavor. My issue with it is that it is left or right handed only without conversion. I'm a lefty, I can shoot AR15 that are right handed just fine, just not the rear side ejection of the Tavor.

I like the KelTec RFB. But in my neighborhood, a .308 is a little overkill with the range for general defense.

There is section 8 housing about 3 miles from my house. According to the Sheriff, this is where they are coming from. FYI, the guy was white, middle aged and bald.

A housing project less than 1/2 mile from my house has been an occasional problem since the '60s and last night, I heard a police call about some teen-aged guys firing guns into the air. South of the major street between my place and that hellhole, it sounded like Beirut on election night, 2008.

Cleaned up the end of the thread.

Between age 17-19 i lived on Sedgwick and Blackhawk. This is a couple blocks down from where Cabrini Green was. Every day when the sun went down you could hear gun fire for a few minutes like some sort of moon ritual.

This will get it done! Yee Haww!

Ultimately, the only answer to these types of problems is to turn as many of those people as possible into folks who are more worried about being stolen from than stealing from other people (i.e. get them into a situation where they have something to lose.)

We can all sit here for years and talk about what's right is right and no one has the right, etc... But, the fact of the matter is that, for the last 10,000 years since we started settling down, the presence of those with little to lose has been a threat to those of us who have a bit. That's never, ever going to change, ever. All we can do is get rid of those people. We can't round them up and kill them, so the only real choice is to get them up into the middle class as much as possible.

Though I'm not anti-military, I'd argue that we would all be safer if more of that money was was funneled into educating the poor. There's about zero chance any military is coming across our borders. But the pissed off and poor are already here. And it's just a fact that the poor will require more help on the education front because they so often have little to no jump start from their home environment, whereas those of us who were born into middle class and upwards environments are much more likely to hit school ahead of the game and have more home stability.

I think about what a negative, morose little peon I was from just the (relatively very minor) bumps in my road. If it had been much worse, I hate to think where I might have gone. FFB is a real thing, not some sign of weakness that demonstrates you don't deserve any better. It's many orders of magnitude more difficult to reverse a downward spiral than it is to just avoid falling off an upward one.

The benefits that would come from a Manhattan Project sized attack on lack of education would have ever growing benefits for centuries to come, because every person you can get up out of poverty is more likely to have children who will remain out of poverty. And think of the potential skills that just go to waste in that population. Not to mention, in the short term, the jobs that all of that work would generate for adults in those communities as well.

We'd all end up better off, we'd have a fresh infusion into the middle class (which is sorely needed), we'd get the benefit of the skills and enthusiasms of many more people, we'd create a jobs in the short term, and lots more in the long term, AND we'd end up being able to afford even far nastier weapons on top of all of that.

In my opinion of course...

I know about Cabrini Green (which I believe is now gone). SOme coworkers and I from Magnolia HiFi went to Chicago for a weeks worth of training with Bang & Olufsen. One evening we got off the L Train in the wrong area, and ended up walking into Cabrini Green, and got chased out by some fine young men, from Cabrini Green.

That was scary! The cops asked us: Where are you idiots from? Do you know where you just walked through?"... It wasnt until I got back home and told me wife (who was from Chicago), that it sank in what a dangerous area that was.

The local Coast Guard station where we handle DirecTV has several signs that say this, maybe with slightly different words:



How the hell, in Post 35, can you clean up the end of the thread (now 39 Posts but still open and Mr. Stanley is still posting)? Do you have a time machine we haven't heard about?

I almost, but not quite, hate to do this to this thread, but... this is exactly why the right wants to get government out of our faces and let us do what we can. While some few government programs can help, government rules by closing down opportunity, regulating, restricting, rather than opening things up. How can government possibly be in charge when its philosophy is to let people do what they can? The left wants to be in charge and tell us how to live our lives.




Urban dictionary: Fatso Fatty Butt/Former Fat Boy. Do you mean Forced Feedback, a term from haptics? 35 acronyms at acronymfinder don't have a definition that makes sense.

The rest of what you say makes great sense. Another issue about governing by controlling: the Soviet Union is the reference case for people losing their willingness and interest in getting ahead by legal means in a society where government controls so much.

FFB = F#%cked From Birth.


"How can government possibly be in charge when its philosophy is to let people do what they can? The left wants to be in charge and tell us how to live our lives."

Actually, it's more like both sides want to be in charge, and make everyone else live the way they want them to. Neither side is right, as is always the case. We've seen what a disaster both communism and mostly unfettered business make. Utlimately, there is no one answer to the world's problems because the world is a complex place. Every situation has to be considered on its merits, not from the point of view of a fixed ideology. Both sides have useful ideas, but neither side's ideas are all useful or even remotely universally applicable.

Control freak. lol

BTW, I have to point out that terms like 'the left' or 'the right' are just meaningless. "The Left" could mean anything from someone who wants a communist government to someone who thinks that business needs more regulation. And "The Right" could mean anything from someone who argues for less business regulation to someone who wants to ship all black people back to Africa.

So they are just useless categories ultimately, that serve only as straw men to be attacked. You can make them mean almost anything you want them to. If you don't like business, then 'business' means the most corrupt, massive, inhumane companies possible, not the many times over more small, personally responsible and responsive businesses that make up the bulk of that category. If you are against social safety nets, then everyone who makes use of that safety net is someone who just wants to sit at home and take heroin on your tab, not someone who is really trying hard and has hit a bad patch (and who may, if kept above water, make a real contribution later on.)

In the end, you either have a large middle which never really moves that much despite the perceived political swings back and forth. If, as seems to be the goal these days, you manage to polarize more of them to either side, you still get no real movement. Each side portrays even a small change away from their world view as a massive one, but it really seldom is in any fundamental way. You just get more and more hatred in return for a continued lack of real change.

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We wouldn't need nastier weapons because we would have an educated population that is clever enough to solve problems without murdering people.