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Cleaning up-IR wire behind TV
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Post 16 made on Sunday February 8, 2015 at 20:32
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Gaffer tape...doesn't always stick the best but doesn't get gooey and nasty like electrical tape.
Post 17 made on Sunday February 8, 2015 at 22:50
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Consider yourself a hack if you've been using electrical tape on anything non-electrical, it just shows that you either have not been around long enough to see it fail and turn into a gooey mess or you just don't take pride in your installations. There's nothing wrong with some tape to hold the IR wire, but there are many other options that hold up over time such as Kapton.
Post 18 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 01:40
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On February 8, 2015 at 02:25, Ernie Gilman said...
Well, yeah, if you're not trying to do anything, HDMI and CEC work fine. It's only the interesting and flexible systems that have problems.

Try making things work when you've got an Integra receiver; satellite and Blu-ray; and the client wants to be able to watch either source using the surround system or just using the TV speakers. (Hint: the Integra receiver turns on even when its CEC is turned off!)

When your client wants to do something stupid (like use TV speakers when they have a surround system) it's up to you to get them in line.

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Post 19 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 01:41
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On February 8, 2015 at 19:13, andrewinboulder said...
I use a small dab of hot glue and stretch the emitter tight so it wont sag. I cant stand old sticky electrical tape falling off, but the 33M sounds like it may not do that.

I dont know if I have the patience to embed an IR. You actually pull the back of the TV off to embed?

It's usually a few screws to get the back off and then a couple more to get the board that has the emitter on it. I can usually embed an emitter in 5 minutes total.
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Post 20 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 07:38
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On February 9, 2015 at 01:41, Mac Burks (39) said...
It's usually a few screws to get the back off and then a couple more to get the board that has the emitter on it. I can usually embed an emitter in 5 minutes total.

With all due respect, "5 MINUTES"???...not.

Plus, all the warranty implications down the road if the TV has any issues...no way.

We will continue to tape and wire tie, thank you. lol
Post 21 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 12:05
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On February 9, 2015 at 07:38, Booger said...
With all due respect, "5 MINUTES"???...not.

Plus, all the warranty implications down the road if the TV has any issues...no way.

We will continue to tape and wire tie, thank you. lol

Get yourself a folding table for the jobsite like we do. Put a moving blanket over it. You now have a work station where things like removing 10 screws and threading an emitter through the back and then reinstalling 10 screws should only take 5 minutes.

The warranty issues are nonsense. You are the guy installing the TV and you will be the guy uninstalling the TV. Remove your emitter before taking it in for service.

Tape and zip ties are cheap and easy. Use what you are comfortable with.
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Post 22 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 12:16
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On February 7, 2015 at 15:55, Mac Burks (39) said...
In the last 5 years i have run into 2 TV's that were so thin i couldn't figure out how to get to the emitter without really taking it apart

The few times I've tried embedding an LED, there was no accidental hole or hole clearance that the wire could come out of, so it was necessary to cut the skinny wire and put it through a drilled hole. This is, shall we say, noticeable hacking as far as the warranty station is concerned.

so i stuck the emitter on the Back for one and on the bottom for another with hot glue. Then i made a little bead of hot glue on the back that i stuck the emitter wire into so it couldn't sag. On one TV i had to make 3 beads of hot glue because the AV connections were so high up on the TV.

Here in So Cal there are a couple of crafts store chains where a small hot glue gun and about a yard's worth of hot glue sticks cost around six bucks, all in a nice little plastic case. I bought three of these because I thought they might get damaged or lost; it's been five years and I'm only halfway through the first set of glue.

HOT GLUE is the way to go, though I'd appreciate advice from anyone who can tell me how to avoid those damned skinny hot glue 'hairs' in the first place!

...and as with so many things, saying "electrical tape" is not enough to pass on which tape is good and which is bad. First, if it has no brand and model number that you can cite, it's probably crap. Second, if it costs less than about $3 per roll, it's probably crap. I don't remember the model number, but the $4 tape from 3M is what I use; the $1.50 tape from 3M, or cheapass tape, is what I use for binding wires together for pulling. That is, it's on there for a half hour, then thrown away.
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Post 23 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 12:45
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Amazon.com has a variety of adhesive plastic wire clip things.

My favs..
Twist Lock style: [Link: amzn.com]
Small wire (IR) : [Link: amzn.com]

These I especially like because they have this plastic clasp that holds a wire tight but can also be opened to remove: [Link: amzn.com]
Post 24 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 13:36
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On February 9, 2015 at 12:16, Ernie Gilman said...
The few times I've tried embedding an LED, there was no accidental hole or hole clearance that the wire could come out of, so it was necessary to cut the skinny wire and put it through a drilled hole. This is, shall we say, noticeable hacking as far as the warranty station is concerned.

The connector gets cut off anyway so you can splice the emitter or connect it to a screw terminal block on a Crestron RMC.

Every TV i have ever installed has perforated vents all across the back. Are you telling me you haven't seen anything like this?



Here in So Cal there are a couple of crafts store chains where a small hot glue gun and about a yard's worth of hot glue sticks cost around six bucks, all in a nice little plastic case. I bought three of these because I thought they might get damaged or lost; it's been five years and I'm only halfway through the first set of glue.

Same here. I bought a package of extra glue stix. I have used 1 of those spares in 2 years.

HOT GLUE is the way to go, though I'd appreciate advice from anyone who can tell me how to avoid those damned skinny hot glue 'hairs' in the first place!

Let them dry and clip them loose from the dab of glue.

...and as with so many things, saying "electrical tape" is not enough to pass on which tape is good and which is bad. First, if it has no brand and model number that you can cite, it's probably crap. Second, if it costs less than about $3 per roll, it's probably crap. I don't remember the model number, but the $4 tape from 3M is what I use; the $1.50 tape from 3M, or cheapass tape, is what I use for binding wires together for pulling. That is, it's on there for a half hour, then thrown away.

I have used tape a few times in the past and every single time i come back to the job and the tape is falling off and gooey. Some guys like it gooey i guess.
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Post 25 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 14:38
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Like Mac, I usually open up the TV and install the emitter.  It probably takes 10 minutes (not 5 minutes), but it's easy to do.

I recently had Samsung service a TV under warranty that has an emitter embedded inside and also had two holes drilled in the back cover with RG59 routed through them inside the TV so I could perfectly flush mount the TV.

The TV had a failed IR board (nothing to do with the embedded emitter), and the only comment from the repair tech is that he thought it was cool and had never seen anyone go though that much trouble to do a clean install.

Many of the newer Samsungs let you stick the emitter on the back side of the protruding IR receiver which is easy.  When I do this I'll usually wire tie or velcro the emitter wire to the other wires and will often use 3M electric tape to keep the wire flat on the back of the TV until it joins up with the other wires.
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Post 26 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 16:06
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On February 9, 2015 at 14:38, SB Smarthomes said...
Like Mac, I usually open up the TV and install the emitter.  It probably takes 10 minutes (not 5 minutes), but it's easy to do.

I recently had Samsung service a TV under warranty that has an emitter embedded inside and also had two holes drilled in the back cover with RG59 routed through them inside the TV so I could perfectly flush mount the TV.

The TV had a failed IR board (nothing to do with the embedded emitter), and the only comment from the repair tech is that he thought it was cool and had never seen anyone go though that much trouble to do a clean install.

Many of the newer Samsungs let you stick the emitter on the back side of the protruding IR receiver which is easy.  When I do this I'll usually wire tie or velcro the emitter wire to the other wires and will often use 3M electric tape to keep the wire flat on the back of the TV until it joins up with the other wires.

I believe this is exactly what the OP was asking about. 3m tape works well. Hot Glue to hold the wire to the back of the tv with the mess of getting hot glue on the mantle, tile, carpet or somewhere else the customer might punch you in the face? bad Idea IMO.
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OP | Post 27 made on Monday February 9, 2015 at 18:20
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It sounds like I have a new patent pending product evvery single installer needs.

Cha-ching.
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Post 28 made on Wednesday January 24, 2018 at 09:34
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Random reply to an older thread..but I thought I was the only one that knew how kuch better Gorilla tape worked vs elect tape. Doesn’t lay as flat so best used sparingly and out of view. But Gorilla works better imo and I haven’t seen it make a mess upon removal yet.
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