Hes not just saying that... hes also saying that anything inside the home is basically snake oil. So middleatlantic, panamax, surgex, digital loggers, monster etc are the same as gold plated power cords.

Oh, my, don't tell me you have succumbed to myths, advertising, and... never mind!!

This guy gets around.
[Link: forums.cnet.com]

For you Surgex guys, have you looked at the Zero Surge product? http://www.zerosurge.com/

It looks like the Zero Surge company are the originators of the series mode surge protection.

Also, could you just get a 2 outlet 15A unit and plug a power strip into it for the other equipment? What about plugging a MOV surge protector into the the Zero Surge/Surgex stuff?

If a device does protection, then you can post the manufacturer spec number that defines that protection. Nobody has for one simple reason. Those specifications do not exist.

Surgex (also ZeroSurge and Brickwall) are series mode filters. Filters - not protectors. Rated to absorb a near zero 500 joules. Just enough for some to call it a surge protector. A near zero protector. But an excellent filter for other anomalies - ie noise.

iform assumes a ZeroSurge / power strip combo will magically stop what three miles of sky could not. Will somehow absorb hundreds of thousands of joules. No facts or numbers exist to support that speculation.

Panamax, et al protectors selling for $25 or $50 are also available for $7 in Wal-Mart. Why so expensive? As explained previously, it is a profit center. Marketed to people who learn only from advertising and speculation. Who assume "surge protector" automatically means "surge protection". Who always ignore facts and numbers. Many who are victims then get angry rather than learn from their mistakes (as demonstrated here).

Monster has a long history of identifying scams. Then sells an equivalent product for even higher prices - ie $85 or $120. If Monster is marketing it, then an informed consumer is automatically suspicious.

I never said everythng inside the house is snake oil. Best protection inside the house is already inside appliances. We did many investigations. In one case, superior protection inside a network of powered off computers was compromised (bypassed) because some computers had adjacent plug-in protectors. We traced every surge path by literally replacing every blown semiconductor. Each protector earthed a surge destructively through its adjacent computer. Each protector compromised existing protection.

Once inside, a surge hunts for and finds destructive connections to earth. If earthed before entering, then superior protection already inside appliances is not overwhelmed. Even strip protectors need that protection.

Protection means a surge is not inside the building. Protection is always about where energy dissipates. 39 Cent Stamp assumed a simplistic (ie executive) summary. Did not quite grasp what was posted. Did not understand what a series mode filter does. Could not post manufacturer spec number that claims protection. And never said where hundreds of thousands of joules dissipates. Protection is always about where energy dissiaptes. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.

One properly earthed 'whole house' protector means everything is protected, even from direct lightning strikes, for about $1 per appliance. Then superior protection inside the house - inside each appliance - is not overwhelmed.

Wow

without another short story on house protectors.. And forgoing answering my question with a question

What specifically is this superior protection inside each appliance?

and around. [Link: techreport.com]

A fuse saves everything!!


Sometimes... ;)

Total nonsense.


All lies.


You have the wrong information.


Incorrect.


What does an energy drink have to do with this?


You havent really said much of anything.


Says you.


Wrong again. At least you are consistent.


LOL Good luck Vince. I have looked thru all of your information and i havent found anything of value. You keep splicing your $5 movs in and i will use tested proven products.

Provided previously was simple layman stuff. You want engineering information? Do you know what galvanic isolation is? The answer is much too complex for a layman's discussion. And the posts would be significantly longer.

You know that protectors have failed when an adjacent appliance (simultaneously confronted by the same surge) remains functional. A surge too tiny to overwhelm that frequired internal protection can also destroy an adjacent and grossly understized protector.

Whereas industry design standards once called for 120 volt electronics to withstand 600 volts, today even computers are required even by ATX Standards to withstand 1000 or 2000 volts. Numbers also provided by other standards including IEC61000.

Surges are done in microseconds. Fuses take milliseconds just to think about blowing. A voltage number on each fuse also says the blown fuse will still conduct until a surge is done.

Fuses never protect from a surge. Nothing, especially not a millimeters gap in a fuse, will stop a surge. Fuses are to protect human life AFTER damage has occurred. So that a damaged appliance does not threaten human life.

He was being blatantly sarcastic.

I figured it out.

He's one of those Indian B1 visa workers that has come and taken a job away from a real professional. He took some classes from a Cracker Jack box and works at a company that studies the effects of surges and lighting strikes on components. Him and his co-workers spend all day making the WRONG assumtions about what they are seeing because they really don't know what they're doing. Good luck ever getting that thru thier thick skulls however.

This explains pretty much everything about this guy. His bad grammer and English, his repeated quoting of specs from industry sources without actually knowing what they mean, and finally the narrow focused arrogance.

He's still a Troll! Stop feeding him.

"Fuses never protect from a surge". This is so completely wrong. A "surge" is so nearly consumerese anyway - it is what non-technical people use to describe a host of different electronic anomalies - it is a catch all phrase. For you to use it indicates a lack of technical understanding. You should be using "overvoltage" or "overcurrent" to describe what is ACTUALLY happening, but you use consumerese instead.

Here's what a fuse does. If there is an electronic fault of any kind producing an overcurrent situation, the fuse will open and one of two things may happen: 1) The overcurrent caused NO damage and fuse replacement fully restores the product to normal operation, or 2) the overcurrent caused damage to some components requiring replacement of one to umpteen of them, plus the fuse. My specs for using this as evidence? Shall I zip you my repair database that covers a fifteen year period with numerous instances? No, a troll is not interested in that kind of evidence... just keep the non-technical smoke coming.

I know enough about you after reading your post about "replacing every semiconductor to find the path of the surge" that you were blowing so much smoke. I've done component level electronics servicing possibly longer than you have been alive and you are so wrong.

"Industry design standards" is another great example, as pointed out earlier, that you are unaware of real-life examples of how stuff is actually made. Only someone who has disassembled thousands of devices and looked at hundreds of schematic diagrams would know this - you don't.

"A 20,000 amp lightning bolt therefore creates a high voltage. High school physics. 20,000 amps times a high voltage is high energy." So wrong. No voltage is created. It already existed as a potential between a cloud and something of lower potential and the flow of current is in amps. Amps never created voltage, and never will. This is how I know you are a sham and a simple web browsing consumer who thinks he knows something. BTW, "amps times a high voltage is high energy" - is there not a better word for that, Mr. Techie? Amps times volts equals, um, err, aaah - POWER!! Imagine that!!


Yours, especially, on multiple web sites. See ya.