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What happened to the talented touch panel graphics?
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Post 46 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 12:39
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This could be the most ridiculous GUI page posted here in a long time.  A swath across the center of an otherwise unused background?  That is good design?  I guess that is what happens when you are limited to portrait mode only.  Still think it doesn't make a difference Alan?  Time to wake up from your twilight slumber Alan and face reality.  This looks freakin stoopid and ridiculous.


As far as I'm concerned the rest of your argument is not worth reading based on the fact that you are publically defending this as an example of a great GUI.

Here is our IPad GUI in the wild currently under beta testing on real world systems.  I am thick skinned enough for people to tell me it sucks but somehow I doubt that will be the case when compared to the ridiculousness of the screenshot above. Our BD player page is at 26 seconds on the video.



 
Post 47 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 13:00
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nice work ej.... looks good and easy to use....cant ask for more than that
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Post 48 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 14:14
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Ej

I have seen your ui video already and I think it's fantastic. Simple, elegant, intuitive and the best I've seen posted in this thread.
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Post 49 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 14:23
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On July 8, 2010 at 14:14, Fiasco said...
Ej

I have seen your ui video already and I think it's fantastic. Simple, elegant, intuitive and the best I've seen posted in this thread.

I completely agree, it simple, easy to understand, and uses most of the real estate on the panel. It may not be super sexy but any client would get it right away and have no problem figuring it out..

Excellent work.
Post 50 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 16:50
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Unfortunately, I was just notified of this thread and haven't had much time to read through all of Alan's poignant ramblings. Though, since my name was thrown out there, "Or better yet, let Anthony loose to speak his mind given the excellence of his work.", I thought I'd chime in.

I first need to wonder if anyone has mentioned the word ERGONOMICS. More over, take a look at Engineering Psychology. [Link: en.wikipedia.org]

Somewhere in the mad scientist mind of Alan, there is a good point. I'm pretty sure he's trying to emphasize the melding of design and function above and beyond aesthetics. I'd like to make some alterations though.

In fact, an excellent graphic user interface requires no colors or textures at all. A superb graphic user interface is one that achieves the goal of allowing the user to navigate and successfully operate a system with minimal physical or mental effort. It should be well devised and (in a perfect world) meet certain ergonomic criteria laid out by the IEA (International Ergonomics Association). This in and of itself does not require more than a monochromatic design to indicate active and inactive controls with some dynamic feedback.

The most perfect example of a user interface is the rocker style light switch. Can you do any better?


The general idea is to start with pencil and paper and develop a wireframe study that simply illustrates navigational theory. If you can visualize simple and ergonomic system control from a pencil and paper drawing, then you can pat yourself on the back. Build upon this with all your fancy colors and art work, etc. When I look around though, I see some really harsh and painful looking touch panels. Some of you would be better off just using square B&W buttons. The ergonomics are laid out just fine, it's the choice of colors and overuse of graphic elements (shading, bevels, drop shadows) that make them confusing and painful to look at. Know your personal limitations with the software and work within those limitations. If your GUI looks like something Liberace would approve of, you might want to start over.

We like to use our touch panel designs as a branding device for our company. We feel that when you have more than one interface out in the world you've lost your brand identity. Even if you purchase a template from one of the many fine GUi developers we have to choose from, pick ONE and stick with it. Don't forget that, at the end of the day, the only thing the client remembers about you is what you've shoved in front of their face every single day. Don't you want their friends to come in and say I want THAT in my house? From my perspective, YOUR GUI IS YOUR COMPANY. But I'm the graphics guy, it's my job to think that way.


So when you look at the video that EJ linked to, you'll notice that it isn't too fancy. I like to think of it as elegant and uncluttered. Simple enough for most people to use without instruction. And I love big buttons. The bigger the better. I used to install car stereos for many years. The biggest complaint of the 50+ crowd was that the buttons on their new car stereo were too small. They loved the big buttons on their factory stereo. And AM, gawd they loved Am.

Is it perfect? Of course not. I know I've failed at some general aspects of user interface design. There are always compromises that limit what you can do and how much time you can spend on the design. The boss thinks they know what a UI should look like because of what everyone else on RC and IP love. The client wants VCR+ to work even though they haven't used the thing in 7 years. The programmer says all clients love X feature even though it makes no sense to you and requires that you completely redesign the source page. You know what else sucks, a million different screen resolutions to work with. Just when you finalize you're gorgeous new TPMC17 GUI they throw a V15 AND a V12 at you. REALLY?!


Oh yeah, gestures and screen rotation, etc. This stuff does not make for an especially ergonomic interface. Start from the beginning and if it makes sense to add some special effects then use them. Not all of our iPad pages rotate, only the ones that can benefit from a portrait layout. Doesn't it make more sense to develop an interface in landscape mode since all the other Crestron touch panels in the house are also landscape?? Consistency. Oh, that's a huge one. Consistency! Thanks Crestron Mobile Pro G.

Gestures definitely add to the wow-factor and really set the iPad (and Crestron VPanels I suppose, 'barf') apart from any other control system on the market today (your selling point). With more and more iPhones and Androids in peoples hands these days, users expect things to swipe and scroll. Just yesterday, EJ tried to swipe to the next page on his MX-600.


For anyone serious about the psychology of human and machine interaction, there are a ton of books out there to start with. Perhaps this one, [Link: amazon.com]
Post 51 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 19:08
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just to help:

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Post 52 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 19:10
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Post 53 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 21:53
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BTW, I was really just looking for an opportunity to use that gif and make EJ happy.
Post 54 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 22:08
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That video is very cool. Colors aren't my type but very cool.
Post 55 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 22:12
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On July 8, 2010 at 21:53, QQQ said...
BTW, I was really just looking for an opportunity to use that gif and make EJ happy.

Yea, because you really agree with all Alan's points and agree that the GUI pictured is top notch.
OP | Post 56 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 23:29
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I am glad Anthony chimed in. I suspect there is more EJ than Anthony in that iPad design. gwstudio was polite. I am not. To say it's not sexy is an understatement. It is about as ugly a panel as I've ever seen. No template designer would offer anything like that and I cannot believe this is really Anthony's work product.

It only proves a point I made earlier where I wrote that even the ugliest panel will be accepted by a client as long as it works.

Having seen Anthony's work I find it hard to believe he had much input into that panel design. It bespeaks EJ's heavy hand. To have that panel in a home is akin to inflicting a facial scar on a super model's face. I understand the concept of dumbing down but this is the design equivalent of disfigurement.

I'll take the empty space of the Bluray over EJ's pride and joy. Yes, its navigation is superb. It's look might best described as an experiment gone horribly wrong. Put each of ours side by side without letting the client touch and we'll which is the one chosen.

I new EJ was a Conservative. I did not know he was a sadist. To inflict this panel on an unsuspecting public is cruel and unusual punishment.
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Post 57 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 23:40
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@Alan EJ has had about 20% input on the interface you're viewing.

I'm quite proud of the work I've done and have had many compliments from high up industry professionals. Several were from Crestron who also thought their in house design was poor. Many have said they have never seen such a clean and easy to use interface siting competior's interfaces as comparison.
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On July 8, 2010 at 22:12, ejfiii said...
Yea, because you really agree with all Alan's points and agree that the GUI pictured is top notch.

I'm sorry your over burdened mind cannot separate out the difference between panel design and GUI navegation. Unlike you, QQQ's aesthetic sensibility has not been damaged. QQQ, however, wishes to be kind to someone with so many challenges to overcome and will humor you.

You have the gaul to speak negatively about the Bluray not occupying the complete space ( and notice you didn't bother about the other two examples since they took up the entire page--that being your chief objection. One would have thought you'd have acclimated yourself to empty space by now ).

Stamp has a very attractive design. I think Crestron's graphic designer did a masterful job in his page design. Yours? It's fucntional. It's use of gestures will call out to every geek. It's design is byond ugly and borders on hideous.

But why take someone serioius who has so little to add that is posative. Your contribution to this dialog is typically nill. QQQ is just too kind to speak the truth. No one ever said that about me.

Alan
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OP | Post 59 made on Thursday July 8, 2010 at 23:56
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On July 8, 2010 at 23:40, oxjox said...
@Alan EJ has had about 20% input on the interface you're viewing.

I'm quite proud of the work I've done and have had many compliments from high up industry professionals. Several were from Crestron who also thought their in house design was poor. Many have said they have never seen such a clean and easy to use interface siting competior's interfaces as comparison.

You are really proud of the color scheme? You are also confusing GUI navigation with page design. You really think it is elegant? I'm no fan of GUIFX and I began this thread after being shocked at the work product the template designers were offering. But they--and most of the other template designers --have provided attractive page designs. You actually think this attractive?

That is what this thread was about. It's not about GUI navigation. It really wasn't about how easy a panel was to use. It's about composition and design elements in the page layout. It's about making panels visually interesting. I've seen your work and it's been very, very good. Indeed you work often used many of the design elements I'm suggesting are missing from most other templates. Visually, what is on that utube video is not something I find remotely attractive. You have to wonder about that 20% EJ inflicted on that design. I find it very hard to imagine that ugliness coming from you without a gun being held to your head and your hands tied. Que sera.

Alan
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Post 60 made on Friday July 9, 2010 at 00:12
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On July 8, 2010 at 23:56, Audible Solutions said...

That is what this thread was about. It's not about GUI navigation. It really wasn't about how easy a panel was to use. It's about composition and design elements in the page layout. It's about making panels ....

Ahhhhh. I was beginning to think it was about insulting anyone (or their work product) that didn't tow the line on what you think an interface should be.

I like the interface posted from YouTube. I'm sure others here do too. Taste varies from person to person which is why no single or collective opinion is more correct than another, including yours.

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