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3 HD Sats in Theater Room
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Post 91 made on Tuesday March 23, 2004 at 08:40
Trunk-Slammer -Supreme
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Why do I like this site so much?

A guy comes here, asks advice, gets flamed, instead of getting HELPFUL advice, because he doesn't use a SPECIFIC control system.

I think some of you should be rather ashamed of yourselves. It's not helpful advice when you offer nothing but criticism.

One word. Disgusting.
Post 92 made on Wednesday March 24, 2004 at 14:55
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Wow I can't believe i missed this, boy i sure should waste time at work more often, oh i'll have to to read page 3, but my .02,,,,
We have installed AMX on a number of occasions and i love it, BUT it's not for everybody we have a customer right now who has 2 viewpoint express systems and has had them for a couple of years with no problems. But we just did his vacation condo with 4 RC-9200's and no TOADS which i won't sell anyway, and he loves them, now he wants to do away with the amx and put in 9200's here which i really don't want to do and honestly can't do because his McIntosh receiver doesn't have discreet on/off, I did mention the Mac seperates would work uhmmmm., Sorry but there is a customer and a place for every control you just have to match the two.
We do mainly home theaters and seperate multi-room systems ala niles and b&k with very little lighting, hvac, and so on so i always have trouble justifying an 8k control system which is very much over kill for a nice theater. Most of our clients would rather make the audio or video better then have this great and wonderful piece of equipmemt which they use for about 30-45 seconds. You watch and listen to the AV equipment a remote is just a remote as long as it works.
Post 93 made on Wednesday March 24, 2004 at 15:10
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Use the RC9200 to Control the Axcent 3. just use an IR interface for the system. GIves the client a nice compact control and still takes advantage of the ogic inthe AMX system.

Post 94 made on Wednesday March 24, 2004 at 19:29
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On 07/30/03 13:45, Eric Johnson said...
There is nothing that a Crestron or AMX system
can do in terms of bulletproof control of A/V
gear, that a Niles Intellicontrol, an RTI TheaterTouch,
or a Pronto/MX800 or similar macro capable remote
combined with a Xantech Gatekeeper (or a Niles
IntelliControl MSU) can't do.

All these combinations provide the installer with
simple ways to program an IF/Else statement. For
Example:

IF the component is already powered on, do nothing.
ELSE IF the component is off, issue the toggle
power IR command.

Crestron and AMX have the advantage of lovely
huge touchscreens, and the ability to display
status of RS232 components, but in essence, most
real world installations of AMX/Crestron systems
simply duplicate the capabilities of the systems
I've mentioned above WITHOUT further internet/RS232
displays of status or TV Guides etc.

My personal feeling is that huge touchscreens
may be impressive, easy to understand and profitable,
but in actual use with a Home Theater offer some
extreme ergonomic DISADVANTAGES compared to the
original remote controls provided by manufacturers
of PVR's like Tivo and Replay, DVD players, HDTV
set top boxes, Satellite receivers and other devices
that present ON-SCREEN Guides and Menus that must
be navigated with care by the client. They produce
the confusing "touch-screen nodding" when the
client must look at the TV to see where the cursor
is, then look at the touch screen to see which
button to press.

Only the most advanced and imaginative Crestron
and AMX systems are providing Guide and Menu interfaces
for these devices on the TOUCH SCREEN itself!
99% of the Touch Screen systems I see in the field
provide the customer with an experience that is
much LESS satisfying than using the original remote
control when operating menus and guides.

Many remote control manufacturers (Marantz, RTI,
Niles, Home Theater Master, Xantech) make models
that incorporate hard button navigation controls
(thumbpads and joysticks) that are easy to find
by feel and far more fun for the client. They
truely allow the original remote controls to be
put away.

Couple a remote control like that with the IF/ELSE
power sensing capabilities easily installed via
the IntelliControl, the RTI, the Xantech Gatekeeper,
and you present your client with a satisfying
fun experience and bullet proof macros even when
the components are a huge motly collection of
TOADS!

I would remind those who say that a $50,000 system
MUST have AMX or Crestron that referrals happen
because the CLIENT IS HAPPY with the installation.
Sometimes that happiness can be created through
expending more of the budget on additional subwoofers
in a large room, sometimes on a more capable video
processor or projector, RATHER than a control
system that is nothing more than an awkward heavy
and unwieldy touchscreen with no more capability
than a Pronto installed with a Niles Intellicontrol...

In my opinion, custom installation is defined
by customizing the system to the real needs, desires
and situation of the client. You cannot make rules
about what HAS to be installed at any price.

Best Regards,

-Eric

Eric Johnson
www.hometheaterpro.com

Phone 1-800-247-7001

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Bob
Hifi Homes
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