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Philips Discontinues Pronto
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Post 46 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 10:14
SJHart
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The world is not ending merely an era.

Well stated....
Post 47 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 10:23
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On October 31, 2010 at 09:15, Nocko! said...
Hi to all !
Of course it's a real pity for the Pronto team loosing their jobs because of Philips' decision. I feel with them.
A few voices here already stated that the Pronto series didn't grow up with the iPods and iPads out there. I fully agree with that. But it is not only the hardware that makes the device sexy and influences the price. I had an iPod touch for a few weeks and use now an iPad. Both gadgets are great but I don't wanna use only the iPad to control my stereo or homecinema. The iPad is too big the iPod too small. An iPod Touch with a few hard buttons could make it. I hope Savant or some other manufacturer invent something nice...

But what really hurts is not that there will be no more new software to our Prontos. To be honest: Most of the the firmwares and Pronto Edits where quite boring to me. I think at Philips they never realised that most of the Pronto buyers where freaks like me who want total control over their equipment and that "we" don't want a third party to program our device. I hope, I don't only speak for me alone...

The real tragedy today is not that there will be no more new hardware or software. The tragedy is the end of the line. From this point now there is no vision to where to carry my (better our) efforts. Like most of you I nearly have owned every Pronto modell the last ten years now ending up with a 9400. Yes, it would be cool if Philips had introduced a newer Pronto line with multitouch or implemented webbrowser and so on. But for these gadgets we can use our iPads.

What really hurts is the loss of our work. Every pixel on my Pronto is designed by me and no one else. My Prontos saw dozens perhaps a hundred different configurations of my homecinema and was able to handle them all. From time to time I find buttons on my Pronto which were designed ten years ago. And I re-use the graphics or the codes behind that button.

With every new device I found workarounds and created new optics and found sometimes new functions with the help of my Pronto and remote central of course. The option to load "standard" IR-Codes from other users here was always great. Sometimes I had my Pronto reconfigured for a new device before the device arrived. All with your help.

The Prontos can do things which are essential like macros on every button, delays and a few things more. My Pronto configuration hold buttons and codes which run since five years. I cannot even remember how it works, but it works. I don't want to re-invent them. I always thought that I will transfer these ideas to the next generation Pronto. But as far as I see this option died with Philips decision and this is the real tragedy in my eyes.
Nocko!


nice post and agree, I understand the ipod/touch are a fraction of the cost, but the Prontos where remotes. They don't have the nice hard buttons that are needed. I love a touch screen, which is why I have been a fan for so long, but you also need some basic hard buttons so that, for example, you don’t need to look down at the remote to change the volume.
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Post 48 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 11:16
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I understand Crestron has a clamshell snap-on that goes over the iPad and provides buttons. Naturally it is for a crestron system. IMHO it will be too big and unwieldly. Maybe I am just used to it, but the 9800 is as large as I would want to go although the iPad would make it a lot easier on my eyes as I only need glasses for reading not watching movies/TV
Post 49 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 12:44
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Our thoughts and hopeful wishes go out to the pronto team during this tough time. I have enjoyed the fruits of their labors for a number of years now. it was a great run, and I hope it will carry on in some form or venue.
George
Post 50 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 13:22
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Hi,

I've been a Pronto user for less than two years, with a RU950 (TSU3000) and more recently a TSU9400. I do feel sorry for those working at Philips and dealers/integrators that were working alot with Prontos. I don't feel too scared about the future though.

As I said, I got a RU950 after it had been discontinued for some time. I could still use it with available software and didn't really require updates. I guess the same thing will happen with the TSU9400 now, although I was planning on learning ProntoScript and program my own 2-way module for my future Onkyo TX-NR808 receiver.

Some others already said it wasn't the end of the remotes that we own, as long as they work, and I agree. The annoyance is that we won't be able to use the modules and configurations we'll have made on other newer remotes. For now anyways, as we still don't know if the Prontos will be re-branded or if someday we'll find out how to decode and use xcf files.

I'll just keep playing around with my TSU9400 and wait for proper solutions to replace it with : A tablet about as big as a TSU9600/9800 with the usual hard buttons and an opensource OS (not an Apple-based product).

Or maybe the Pronto division will be bought off by another company. Who knows, I'll wait and see, while my remote still controls my current and future equipment.
Post 51 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 15:15
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On October 31, 2010 at 11:16, Barry Gordon said...
I understand Crestron has a clamshell snap-on that goes over the iPad and provides buttons. Naturally it is for a crestron system. IMHO it will be too big and unwieldly. Maybe I am just used to it, but the 9800 is as large as I would want to go although the iPad would make it a lot easier on my eyes as I only need glasses for reading not watching movies/TV

The obvious thing would be something like Crestron's attachment, but for the ipod touch. Number buttons, and simple transport controls (previous, next, play, pause, stop, rew, FFWD) could be great (and a built in IR transmitter to allow for those of us not wanting to use wifi to a seperate module for IR).

As "SHN" mentioned though I prefer an open source solution, so something android based for something like one of the better HTC models would work.
Post 52 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 15:37
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With regard to the makeup of an xcf file, many of us know exactly how such a file is structured. Think "Zip".

Last edited by Barry Gordon on October 31, 2010 18:10.
Post 53 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 17:34
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Provided that the gesture based interfaces keep evolving, I am pretty sure we are bound to see an impressive evolution in the way the "traditional" device control works much sooner that we think - gestures and, optionally, visual feedback on your TV or even tactile feedback from the touch panel, will likely cover most of the "normal" remote control needs without the "traditional" hard buttons.

And let's not forget that it's not just the touch gestures - when you actually need to have something in the palm of your hand - XBOX Kinect already has moved from research/prototype to production resulting among other things in Microsoft Media Center control using air gestures.

It now might look clumsy - can you imagine a patriarch frantically waving his hands to skip forward an annoying commercial? - but in a couple of years we will likely have something much more sophisticated and the patriarch instead of going through the painfully mind-numbing process of learning the IR codes from the old remotes will only need to teach the new system how to read the facial expressions :)
Post 54 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 18:11
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I would prefer a nice directional microphone and good voice recognition in a noisy (movie) environment.
Post 55 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 18:22
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On October 31, 2010 at 18:11, Barry Gordon said...
I would prefer a nice directional microphone and good voice recognition in a noisy (movie) environment.

Or better still a blue tooth headset microphone :)
Pronto still one of the best Wi-Fi Remotes,
www.ikonavs.co.nz and [Link: axiumcontrol.com] Axium Control
Post 56 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 18:36
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I have made a some new friends in Belgium, Norway, Sweeden, Australia, New Zealand, Germany so there is that gain to consider.

Denmark too...
Post 57 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 20:20
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On October 31, 2010 at 15:37, Barry Gordon said...
With regard to the makeup of an xcf file, many of us know exactly how such a file is structured. Think "Zip".

The whole structure of the XCF lends itself to be naturally ported, being nice and relatively clean XML you can strip away what you don't need.

Given the BS with AppStore and rules.. Maybe Android would be a better approach given you can also get 7" tables at around au/us$200.

Or better yet blow away the firmware and replace it with Pronto :)
Post 58 made on Sunday October 31, 2010 at 23:54
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Hi Jacob, Yes Denmark too
Post 59 made on Monday November 1, 2010 at 00:04
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On October 31, 2010 at 18:22, gopronto said...
Or better still a blue tooth headset microphone :)

It would have to be built in to the 3d glasses :0
Post 60 made on Monday November 1, 2010 at 01:24
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On October 31, 2010 at 15:15, iam-940 said...
The obvious thing would be something like Crestron's attachment, but for the ipod touch. Number buttons, and simple transport controls (previous, next, play, pause, stop, rew, FFWD) could be great (and a built in IR transmitter to allow for those of us not wanting to use wifi to a seperate module for IR).

As "SHN" mentioned though I prefer an open source solution, so something android based for something like one of the better HTC models would work.

Savant already has one of these for the iPod touch. Not sure if it includes the iPod touch or if you can put your own into it. The iPod touch was at the top and the hardbuttons were below it. Sort of made it look like an RTI T2c, long and narrow.

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