At least I know I'm not a newbie,( I've learned hundreds of remotes) but I could not get this motorola "broadband media center" BMC 9012 remote to learn into Library Mgr. version 1.2 using T2 remote or using IR-Pro with ver 2.0 or even T2 remote with Sonance K2 software. The best was getting 5 number digits out of 10(I only tried to learn 0-9 with each variation so I had a constant group of IR codes to work on) I tried every way possible, press and hold, quick tap, hold away from IR pickup with button pressed and place into view of IR pickup, and hold both close and far away from pickup....codes always register at about 38.2 to 38.4 and learn properly every time, however they do not work the pvr.

Yes the original remote works perfect. I was wondering if anyone has learned this remote yet? It is the first one I could not learn. It has a orange button in the middle labeled "Moxie"

Thanks in advance....gary

I had trouble with this remote as well; however, it is included in the new T2+ library.

AVman, which make and model is the remote listed under in the T2+ library? Is your library the 20 jul 2004 listed on the RTI website, that you are using?

Thanks in advance gary

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Did you ever figure this out. I have the file but can't figure out which device.

Thanks for the help, I have had any luck yet. But since I'm so busy I have yet to get back to the customers house to frig with it some more. The file that you have, is this to drop into MakeHex? I haven't messed around with that in years, but I could download it again and reload it on my current computer to help you if I can.

Maybe you can post some numbers 1-3 or chan up and down of what you have in hex and I will get back and try them asap. Maybe those could do it.

Once again, Thanks

gwilly,

I'm in the same place you are. I don't know which IR commands are for the BMC 9012 and I'm trying to help someone who can't learn them. I am pretty sure that I understand the IR protocol as I have seen it on a Motorola DCP-501R which is apparently another new piece of CE gear that Motorola is selling into the cable TV market.

I looked at every Motorola and General Instrument (now owned by Motorola) IR command set in the file at the link above and they all used the standard GI IR protocol. I also looked at Adelphia cable TV codes (who is promoting Moxie on the west coast), but they are the GI protocol at 57KHz (normally it's at 38KHz).

It's possible that the GI protocol at 58KHz is the protocol used in the BMC 9012, and some learning remotes would have trouble learning 58KHz signals, but I would be surprised if the RTI-TT would have problems with that.

The 38KHz GI protocol seems easily learned, so I am at a dead end.

If it can be confirmed that it is the new Motorola protocol, then I can create the Pronto hex for all 256 commands and someone could search for hidden commands and all that. It is an unusual IR protocol and also has a tricky check nibble at the end that was decoded by Rob Crowe on another forum. I think that could be harder to learn, since it has a pattern that is sent once and then a similar pattern that is sent repeatedly. Many learning remotes might ignore the first segment, and it may be needed to get reliable results.

I'm happy that I know I'm not alone, it always seems that it's only me that is having these problems. I'm glad that most of my customers do not have this box, and that it is being used in an area north of where I do most of my work.

I'm sure that this is going to be a problem if a "universal remote" won't learn this protocol. The new "IR-pro" kit for the T2+ supposedly has better learning algorithms to decifer code structure, at least thats what the literature said. It could'nt do it. One option is that RTI said I could e-mail what I've got and they could take a look at it.

At least I only have one customer that is using his T2 and one additional cable co. remote, or any other for that matter. Other nuances about that box is that it's GUI is very complicated and slow, and that it only outputs simultaneous composite and component in 480i only. To change it, you have to go deep into the multi-layered menu.

I'm sure someone will get this licked soon and post the answer.

Unrelated to this, has anyone got discrete on/off for the NEC 1100 DLP Proj. or if not has anyone got a way to keep the original power button learned into the RTI ver 2.0 software to "press and hold" for 3 seconds to use this as a work around? This is without pressing and holding a macro button, but just having it as one of the steps in a macro.

Thanks in advance..gary

Gary,

If you email me the learned commands for BMC9012, I can probably decode them. If my theory is correct, that's probably all I'll need. My email is in my profile.

As far as the NEC projector I recall seeing some long threads in the Pronto forums but IIRC, the methodology was to paste on a whole string of repeat commands and adjust the parameters to fool the Pronto. The real question will be how long of a Pronto hex string will the RTI's editor allow. The newer ProntoNG's apparently won't work with the trick that worked on the original 1000's and 2000's because of changed software/firmware.

The second issue is that John Fine who decoded the cml files about a year ago came to realize that the Pronto hex conversion in the RTI-TT was flawed and would only convert a maximum value of 65,536 microseconds (uS) (or ~66 microseconds(mS)). Worse yet when it exceeds that value it starts over.

This is important because the NEC1 protocol used by the NEC projectors has a first frame that includes 32 data bits that is sent once and then, for as long as you hold down the button, it repeats what is known as a null repeat frame that contains no data and is the same for every command. Both frames must be pretty close to 108 mS long. If the IR receiver sees the null repeat frame within 108 mS from the start of the previous frame, it interprets it as a held button.

The signal for the repeat frame is +9000, -2250, + 564, -96168 (+ means carrier On, - means Off). So unless that conversion program has been fixed the RTI-TT would put out +9000, -2250, + 564, -30650 and I don't think that would be recognized as a valid frame. All timings in uS.

So this is probably more than you ever wanted to hear about the subject, and I hope someone else with more experience with the hardware has a better workaround for you.

jarmstrong,

As soon as I find them I will send the codes to you.

In terms of the NEC projector, I'll just continue to have the customer press and hold a "all on" button with the NEC proj being first in the macro, the customer releases the button after the proj goes on and the rest of the macro finishes. This does work everytime, the customer is now used to it.

gary