I hate to be the one who breaks this to you but take a look a look at EVERYTHING you sell. You'll be hard pressed to find something that isn't made in China.

it is a bit concerning, but it is only a one room solution at the moment (i believe).

seems slowly but surely the one room solution is becoming very very consumerized.

more and more crappy sounds bars, universal remotes, super hi def 3d tv's, media streaming devices - all taking over the one room solution.

our only real jobs will be larger integrated systems, home automation, and commercial jobs.

im sure those will go the way of the consumer enabled systems one day as well.
home automation is already on its way.

save every dollar you have now,
and keep your options open in the future!

What you, and most of us, fail to realize is that RTI and most every other company we deal with, are international companies. The rest of the world doesn't live in huge 3,500 sqf homes like we do Most of the world lives in a dwelling 1,000 sqf or less. These one-room solutions fit perfectly for them. Goto London, Paris, Amsterdam, Hong Kong, Sydney, Mexico City, etc, you won't find anwhere near as many large homes as you will find anywhere here in the states.



There will always be a need for us. There are aways people who either don't have the time, or just don't want to bother with it. I have a customer that is an engineer wi major oil comany, and SHE is the operation manager oo a local refinery. I watched her talk a crew from her old plant through a proper restart procedure for one part of the plant, off the top of her head. I was just there hooking up her TV to her receiver and progrmming her remote. I tried explaining the different cables and wwhat thee did, and she was totally lost.


That's good avice even in the best of times.

yes but what it really comes down to is,
if its so easy to hook up, we will have more lower end competition.
more sparkys, and young kids picking up these "smaller" jobs
for way way less.

not saying we are doomed,
just pointing out what has already happened,
and hopefully the real CI industry will innovate more
to the point where we have more appealing installable features
that only we can do - for the higher end.

I agree wiith you, but hasn't it always been this way?


And again, it is still this way: Crestron, Lutron Homeworks, AMX, Runco, etc..

im gutted, we have put in a lot of effort with RTI and have backed them as long as we have been installing. We have waited patiently since we were told about two way comms and still havent got drivers for 75% of the stuff we install here in the uk.
Now to find out that they are potentially changing the entire company name to pro control and seem focused on a new product that, if you forgive me, looks like a beefed up Harmony 1 just f'ing pisses me off....
Just wait until I see those barstewards at ISE in Amsterdam in February...

Anyone know why they have different buttons on one vs the other? Notice one has ON and OFF where the other has the 5 way joystick.

My thoughts exactly.

Here's something else weird, the Volume and Channel up and down buttons are reversed from RTI remotes.

Well Put.. I was just about to consider taking in RTI but after various reviews I don't think I will go forward with it, As a company they seem abit too confusing. I mean crestron can afford to come up with a cheaper solution because their High end products ARE ROCK SOLID..but RTI ...cmon they only started 2 way comms and that isn't even fully covered as stated by mkleynhans... I strongly believe they should have concentrated on the 2way and new products such as st-7 for an earlier realease if possible. but they rather come out with a one room solution. what A JOKE!

I don't believe that the RTI brand is going any where, The pro control is just a low cost one room solution with no upgrade option, which is close but not quite what I suggested to them several months ago.

I asked them to build something called RTI light, This would be an IR only remote with very watered down programing software that an end user can buy from an RTI dealer, this would be like in thee old days with the original T2.

The beauty of this is that a lot of people are very do it your self, they are also brand loyal and if you can offer something for this crowd they are more apt to expand to something more elaborate in the future.

extrapolating on that last comment, what i mean is this remote is actually compatible with the rest of the RTI line up, however to take advantage of those extra features requires, #1 to buy the additional components from a dealer, and #2 hire a dealer to do the additional programing, this creates a great growth potential with new customers, and in fact this is kind of the way it used to be. Its a great sales tool.

Over the years I have maintained relationships with several customers who started out with the legacy T2 system, most of them now have elaborate RTI systems, and I expect they will buy more in the future as well.

What do you mean by:

"this remote is actually compatible with the rest of the RTI line up"

I thought I read the Pro Control line was NOT compatible with the existing 433 MHz or Zigbee RTI stuff. I suppose you could integrate them together with IR trigger codes, but that's no fun.

Please explain.

You my friend are a retard. Have you no idea what you are talking about? The mx 810 has been discontinued because wizard based programming is a joke and so is the harmony.

I'm not looking at this like the end of the need for installation. The fact is, it's like going to the doctor for a rash and having him take your appendix out. What about our need for reliable eqipment? What about our need for iphone applications? X-Window? Remote access solutions? Faster processors? Better quality? This product, whatever it may be, is comeing at a time when I think the criticsm of the current product is plateauing. It's one notch below a slap in the face. It takes a sizeable investment to release a product line. This to me, is NOT the place to spend money at this time. Filling a niche should not be the priority. Improving the quality and performance and securing it's own niche is important to the success of RTI.

Wizard based remotes suck. I don't care how many people buy a Harmony, nobody ends up with with one. URC wizard remote was a disaster. Systems are not getting simpler - they are getting more and more complicated. A wizard does not make sense. I can think of a thousand ways to make the programming work faster and easier - why not do that? A wizard will never command the custom my customers want. Nor will it allow me to supplement preesisting situatons easily. To me, its a gimmick and a smokescreen.

has this line started shipping yet? AVAD doesn't seem to know if/when they will have it available. anyone have any news?