yes they call it j.i.t. or just in time..... actually they require chowroom of some sort and refernces up wazzu...

i will be doing just in time method until we reach or min for direct.

thanks again

The Pioneer VSX-1015 retails ~$500, has 3 component inputs for switching.

Hmmm, where's my house of predictions thread.

I would say Integra is a great line.

The reason I am replying is to put out a big warning against H/K. We finally got the last salesman that we do contract work for to stop specing these into installs. The last count I took was last week and we had:
4 recievers
5 dvd players
5 cd players
All defective. The oldest one of these pieces of gear was installed less than 2 years ago. This count does not count the pieces we were able to trade out for replacements right away and DOA components.

I will never touch one again.

I second the H/K mortuary. H/K belongs in the big box stores now that it fits in thier quality level.

I've used Harman for many years, and had no quality problems at all???
Remember this gear is made by the same people that produce Lexicon amongst other highend gear. Checkout the reviews on the net.
Their audio equipment is constantly at the top of the tree.
And harman is honest about its power outputs etc, which is more then can be said for other so called topline products.
Hmmmmm seems strange that Mercedes, BMW and others are nowing speccing Harman gear in their vehicles after the success of the home entertainment range!
Also seems strange that Harman seem to win so many awards.
As always listen yourself, and don't listen to some comments on here that may be influenced by installers that get paid to push others products!!!!!!
(I use what I choose, whether thats Harman, denon, or Marantz etc.....get no bonuses for pushing gear!)

I would love to live in this fantasy world where I would get a bonus for selling my gear! I don't know who you are talking about but I have chosen every single item we use and sell. Use whatever works for you.

I use my products because I know that they have the features I need to give my customers a high performance, easy to use system with features not found at the big box stores. Also, I know I can get great support from my manufacturers and in turn won't get burned giving great support to my customers.

You make some real generic claims but don't kid yourself. HK is FAR removed from teh mighty Lexicon and car audio has NOTHING to do with home products.

HK is nice looking and nice sounding stuff, but it has a lousy customer interface and we had some issues a few years back with their "upper echelon" stuff where it would not work the way it was supposed to. Had a slew of pissed off customers for whom we had to exchange their HK recievers for Yamaha recievers.

HK is good stuff as long as you don't get to complicated with it I've found. A simple Family room setup for example. But I'v never been fond of their zones, menu setup or any of that stuff.

The fact that Mercedes or BMW uses any particular gear has nothing to do with quality, it has to do with marketing. Harmon Internationals meat and potatoes is serving the auto industry. Some of the things they sell is simply to have the illusion of having a premium product to push mobile sound sales through car manufacturers. BTW, this came straight from the head of one of Harman's brands about 7 years ago.

Hmmm....thats why What Hifi Sound and Vision (England), Home CineAV Max (France), Home Cinema Choice (England), Sound and Image (Australia), and Sound and Vision (US) all gave Harmans previous flagship the AVR8000/8500 major awards and such excellent reviews.....must be that illusion??? Thats why their DVD players continually come out on top in tests (checkout the same respected worldwide magazines!). I got to get me some of that illusion. lol
It is fact that technology developed for one topline product, will filter down the range. Logic 7 an acclaimed Lexicon feature, is now standard on all H/K receivers. So removed, but not far removed.
From my experience Harman/Kardon is great gear, just like experience also shows the same of Yamaha and Denon gear. But I never push one brand, or rubbish another. I let the customer decide what they like. Just annoys me on here when people run brands down that are otherwise well respected.
All I am saying is that you can't be put off a brand because someone on here runs its name down, or doesn't approve. I have installed Yamaha and Denon products that have given me and the customer grief, but I don't tell people not to buy their gear.
Trust me buy what you want, and don't be pushed by installers/retailers etc whether thats Harman/Kardon, Denon, Yamaha or all the others....
When I install products I let the customer decide, and let them listen to the equipment.
Take a look at www.audioreview.com independant reviews from people who own the gear, not the installers that put it in.

This message was edited by wilso17aus on 11/01/05 20:27 ET.

only people i would trust is the installers that install said equipment. reveiws are easily bought and sold.

an installer is in business to make money and if a product does not make money or causes a dealer greif then i say off with their heads and dump the lines.

if an installer doesnt use a product that usually tells you there might be problems....

people that own the gear are stupid...they only know what their salesmen tell them.....

just my 2 cents

Just like many installers out there get alot more then 2 cents to push a certain brand over another........
I am not saying one company actually pays an installer to install their products, but we all know that the deals are a lot sweeter for using certain brands.
Lol.....so now we are convinced that all our customers are stupid?? Sure I have some that know less then others, but alot of my customers are passionate about their install, and often surprise me with the research they have done, and knowledge they bring.
Gawd I hope we as installers are not approaching customers the way some car mechanics approach people......we are all in trouble if we do.
But anyway this thead seems to be going in circles.

customers are only as smart as their installers. which is my point . nobody teaches the customer anymone ( a lot les than it used to)

how did we get here...all i wanted to know was about some good entry level equipment

Costomers are like people sometimes, they are stupid, they never read the manual and yet it is our fault the power button is off.


My favourite saying "People are stupid, a person is intelligent"