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Sharing Door bell button with Chime and Contact closure
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Post 1 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 11:31
flandon
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The Client has a 2yr old Nutone intercom system.
the Door station has a standard Doorbell button. No Light.

When you press the button it rings the intercom system.
there is a traditional doorbell Bell as well. when i hookup the wires from the 24vac Bell to the incoming dry contact both don't work.
so i was thinking about
[Link: elkproducts.com]
however this is 12-24vDC not AC.
therefor I am looking for a similar product in AC.
Basically change a Wet Contact closure to a Dry.
Flandon the mighty Dragon Fisher
Post 2 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 11:44
Ernie Gilman
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More details.
How many wires go to the door? Does "door station" mean there's a speaker at the door? Does intercom audio run over the wires going to the door? At first I thought you were saying that the Nutone runs on DC but rereading, I'm not sure.

What does the Nutone manual/tech service person say about this? What are the model numbers of the door station and the main chassis?

There's an existing working door station and an existing working chime that runs on how many volts AC?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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OP | Post 3 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 12:11
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On April 18, 2019 at 11:44, Ernie Gilman said...
More details.
How many wires go to the door?

2 conductors for the door bell.
|Does "door station" mean there's a speaker at the door?
Yes the other 2 from the Main station runs the speaker/mic.

|Does intercom audio run over the wires going to the door?
Yes thats what an Intercom means?

|At first I thought you were saying that the Nutone runs on DC but rereading, I'm not sure.
Its A Dry Contact. That mean 0 or no voltage.


What does the Nutone manual/tech service person say about this? What are the model numbers of the door station and the main chassis?

I have a email in to them but they no longer make the product.
Nm200wh

There's an existing working door station and an existing working chime that runs on how many volts AC?

same question different way.
Doorbell to Nutone=Dry
Doorbell Bell=24VAC
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Post 4 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 13:51
Ernie Gilman
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On April 18, 2019 at 12:11, flandon said...
2 conductors for the door bell.
|Does "door station" mean there's a speaker at the door?
Yes the other 2 from the Main station runs the speaker/mic.

So, four wires.
|Does intercom audio run over the wires going to the door?
Yes thats what an Intercom means?

Yes. So many details were omitted that I was just being sure.
|At first I thought you were saying that the Nutone runs on DC but rereading, I'm not sure.
Its A Dry Contact. That mean 0 or no voltage.

I ask about "the Nutone." You respond "it's a dry contact."
I'm having trouble following you.

I have a email in to them but they no longer make the product.
Nm200wh

same question different way.
Doorbell to Nutone=Dry
Doorbell Bell=24VAC

See if this helps. [Link: nutone.com]
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Post 5 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 14:05
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Are you sure the doorbell chime requires 24VAC? Most doorbells we install only require 16VAC. I am sure the 24VAC wouldn't hurt the chime, it just needs enough voltage to power the coil but I would check this as a 24VAC transformer may be outputting up to 30VAC. I have installed multiple 16VAC transformers that output at 19+VAC.
Are you certain you have the door bell chime wired correctly? If you connect both the Chime and Nutone station together and neither work, this may be a wiring problem and not a compatibility issue.
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Post 6 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 14:33
Ernie Gilman
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I might have the answer. It seems the dry contact can be used to ring the doorbell.

I just read through the document for which I provided a link in Post 4. This sentence from near the end of the installation instructions of any help:
The 24 volt/2Amp dry contact switch closure may also be used for home automation or security panel panic alarm interface.

Just in case this is not clear, "24 Volt/2 Amp switch" doesn't mean there's 24 volts anywhere in the system. It means this switch is rated to switch up to 24 volts at a maximum current of 2 Amps.

The ordinary non-lit doorbell button is a dry contact. Doesn't that mean you can use this unit's dry contact so that pushing the intercom button rings the doorbell? As I said, the instructions aren't clear enough to think things through... is that dry contact a part of the intercom push button, or is it a separate switch?
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Post 7 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 16:01
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On April 18, 2019 at 14:33, Ernie Gilman said...
The ordinary non-lit doorbell button is a dry contact. Doesn't that mean you can use this unit's dry contact so that pushing the intercom button rings the doorbell? As I said, the instructions aren't clear enough to think things through... is that dry contact a part of the intercom push button, or is it a separate switch?

From reading the user instructions I interperate the 24V/2A dry contact as a user controllable output and would not be triggered when the door station push button is used.

From the user manual
Security/Home Automation (Optional)
This optional function can control another system that is properly connected to the NM200. For example: it may control a door release mechanism, turn on the lights, set off an alarm, etc. This function is available from the Master Station and all Remote Stations (NRS200). It is not available from an Outdoor Remote Station. To initiate this feature from a remote station:
1. Simultaneously press VOLUME UP and VOLUME DOWN and hold for at least 4 seconds. After 4 seconds, this feature is active for as long as the buttons are pressed.
2. Release the buttons to deactivate the feature.
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Post 8 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 19:41
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You were on the right track with Elk, but didn't have the right product.  Look up the Elk 930 which is a doorbell detector.  Doesn't change the operation of the traditional chime and provide a contract closure output.

I've used them a number of times over the last 15 years (including one at my house) and have never had one fail.
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Post 9 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 21:07
Ernie Gilman
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On April 18, 2019 at 16:01, SWOInstaller said...
From reading the user instructions I interperate the 24V/2A dry contact as a user controllable output and would not be triggered when the door station push button is used.

That might be if dry contact didn't mean something totally different. This Wikipedia response has it:

Dry contact may mean any of the following in electronics: No current: A dry contact is the synonym of volt free - it is not "wetted" by a voltage source. Dry contact can refer to a secondary set of contacts of a relay circuit which does not make or break the primary current being controlled by the relay.

A switch, connected to nothing, is a dry contact. No voltage. When you attach a couple of wires to it and mount it in a product so it can be pushed as a button, it's still a dry contact. The intent of this is to give you a place to connect two wires to make something happen. These two wires have to present a voltage to go through the dry contact.
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