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SONOS vs HEOS , So what happens next?
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OP | Post 16 made on Monday February 26, 2018 at 14:58
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Thank you to all that have provided feedback. I understand we are all simply “speculating” here. I for one would like to get some concrete feedback from Sound United as to what their plan is moving forward. I joined the HEOS bandwagon at product announcement and am very happy as far as the product mix and development goes... I just want to know if I should continue to back it! Will the line continue and be supported? What is the exit strategy? Compensation is some form to the end user as well as the dealers is in order if you jump ship on the product... If it’s a dead horse, fess up and let’s move on.

Sound United?
Denon?
Marantz?
Post 17 made on Monday February 26, 2018 at 14:58
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They will limit features in the HEOS app and change features to skirt the law.

I could care less about the HEOS app, Denon should focus on the 3rd party integration and let us put whatever on top of it. The people that want Sonos dont need us anyway.
Post 18 made on Monday February 26, 2018 at 16:47
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How the tide has turned. Sonos is officially the HEOS killer.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Winston Churchill
Post 19 made on Monday February 26, 2018 at 19:00
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On February 26, 2018 at 09:02, 3PedalMINI said...
im pretty sure this means they have to kill all HEOS's

Crossing fingers on that one.
Post 20 made on Monday February 26, 2018 at 19:10
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On February 26, 2018 at 14:58, Knightwing said...
Thank you to all that have provided feedback. I understand we are all simply “speculating” here. I for one would like to get some concrete feedback from Sound United as to what their plan is moving forward. I joined the HEOS bandwagon at product announcement and am very happy as far as the product mix and development goes... I just want to know if I should continue to back it! Will the line continue and be supported? What is the exit strategy? Compensation is some form to the end user as well as the dealers is in order if you jump ship on the product... If it’s a dead horse, fess up and let’s move on.

Sound United?
Denon?
Marantz?

I’m sure they will be quick to jump in here and let you know the answers to all of those questions ;-)

As the end user / installer, you’ll be the last to know. The mindset is keep moving boxes until the very last minute as long as they can.
Post 21 made on Monday February 26, 2018 at 22:45
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On February 26, 2018 at 13:17, 3PedalMINI said...
it really makes me wonder who on gods green earth at D&M thought doing this was a great idea. I mean they even have the nomenclature (or did) to be a blatant rip off of sonos

there is nothing ilegal about monitoring patents. But what it seems is they monitored and viewed the patents and blatantly ripped them off.

I think that at some point, someone said "What's the worst that could happen?".
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 22 made on Monday February 26, 2018 at 23:22
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So, in the end a decade later nobody has come up with a Sonos killer?  They must be waiting for the exact right time to.....POUNCE!
Post 23 made on Tuesday February 27, 2018 at 01:48
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I happily installed a SONOS system today. A Playbar with a connect amp for rears, a Playbase in another room, a connect running 7 rooms, and a boost. So easy. Not a hitch. Customer loves it. No headaches. Money in the bank. Winning!
"When I eat, it is the food that is scared." - Ron Swanson
Post 24 made on Tuesday February 27, 2018 at 13:06
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So, I want to be clear on this....Is Denon going to have to discontinue Heos?  If so, I have a few websites that needs adjusting.
OP | Post 25 made on Tuesday February 27, 2018 at 18:23
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On February 27, 2018 at 13:06, Hasbeen said...
So, I want to be clear on this....Is Denon going to have to discontinue Heos?  If so, I have a few websites that needs adjusting.

Well, this is one of the BIG questions I would like to get answered as well! It seems the powers that be are being very tight lipped about it as I am unable to get ANY concrete information one way or the other from any of my contacts.

Maybe one of the SONOS integrators could reach out to their contacts? Maybe they would be more forthcoming as to what the outcome was from the trial, and what the future holds. I find it difficult to believe they were awarded a settlement and would allow HEOS to continue “business as usual”.
Post 26 made on Tuesday February 27, 2018 at 19:01
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On February 26, 2018 at 13:17, 3PedalMINI said...
it really makes me wonder who on gods green earth at D&M thought doing this was a great idea. I mean they even have the nomenclature (or did) to be a blatant rip off of sonos

Maybe they were banking on Sonos not having enough money to fight them in the courts.
Post 27 made on Tuesday February 27, 2018 at 22:11
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On February 27, 2018 at 01:48, Audiophiliac said...
I happily installed a SONOS system today. A Playbar with a connect amp for rears, a Playbase in another room, a connect running 7 rooms, and a boost. So easy. Not a hitch. Customer loves it. No headaches. Money in the bank. Winning!

This, every time.
Post 28 made on Tuesday February 27, 2018 at 23:35
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On February 27, 2018 at 19:01, chris-L5S said...
Maybe they were banking on Sonos not having enough money to fight them in the courts.

When they released Heos, Bain Capitol couldn't even refinance the D&M debts... so it wasn't as if the arm of D&M was in good shape to begin with!
The recall of batteries for the Heos 1, quick replacement of the 1st gen products (no high-def, no bluetooth - really?) - it has been a fairly expensive exercise thus-far.
Sonos wouldn't be able to fight the BIG boys like Samsung etc, but I'm picking they wouldn't have been worried about D&M.
This industry is not getting cheaper and cheaper, we're simply convincing ourselves they we have to push the cheapest option to customers.
Post 29 made on Friday March 2, 2018 at 13:29
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What sucks is that at least Denon supports this channel. I have used Heos whenever possible as a stand alone, and now that they have a good working module for Crestron was starting to install them in Crestron projects as well. WTF!!!
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OP | Post 30 made on Friday March 2, 2018 at 17:09
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I am still being optimistic. It ain’t over till the fat lady sings... The recent firmware deals with one of the patent infringements of “group volume” at least as far as I can tell.
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