NEver upgraded my ipad1 or 2 or 4s. They work fine. Some Apps may not because they cannot offer two apps for different operating systems.
My terms shed responsibility for other peoples devices and software, So I love the ipad/phone. Service is the most profitable.

Well, it doesn't look like 8.1 helped. *%#ing Apple


Update: initially after 8.1 installed, performance was so slow and poor that my iPad was unusable. Websites wouldn't load at all. Finally it locked up. I shut it down holding both the menu and power button. When I started it back up, it seemed like it was bricked and would only get to the apple logo screen. I put it down and drug out the laptop to start looking for instructions to reset it. After about 10 minutes, my iPad finally finished rebooting. Now it is working much better. Not as good as it did on 7, but better than with 8.0.

Mine still sucks. Even the back arrow while on a website may not work. The alarm clock will even go off if you woke early and shut it off. Apps are the only thing working well. Nothing that came on the iPad when new works worth a crap

Why are you blaming Apple for an update you voluntarily installed?

I must be lucky.  3 ipads running latest, 2 iphones running latest, 2 mac's running Yosemite with no issues at all.

I consider being on the latest firmware part of my job.  There will always be bugs. I want to find them before my clients do.

Is that an inside joke I am missing out on?

Apple released the update which they created for their product. Who else should he hold responsible? It isn't as if he went online and found some sort of hacked together pirated software, or even volunteered for beta testing. He trusted that the manufacturer would release a fully baked update. Maybe a little naive, but definitely understandable. It definitely doesn't absolve Apple from blame.

If I get my brake fluid changed by the dealership, and my brakes go out am I responsible because I chose to do so voluntarily?

Let's not forget that apple also forces popup notifications to get users to perform an update

Dont mind him, Carl is a tool.



BTW: my ipad over the last week has gone from being barely usable to completely unusable.

I think im done with tablets, my new lenovo is super nice, light and if i need to i can easilly walk around a clients house with it.

The last time I checked nearly everything we install and work with these days needs updates other than wire and connectors. No wait they come out with new HDMI versions every so often. So why would I not do the update? Especially since it is from apple.

Yep.... Even after one night of automatic updates, newly formatted XP machines turn to molasses. I just left updates off and threw caution to the wind the last time.

Much better.

Just installed iOS 8.1.1 on my iPad 2. Definitely an improvement. Still not as responsive as iOS 7, but at least it is usable again.

Google project Butter came out with Android 4.1, and resulted in a much smoother operating system.

Apple in their infinite wisdom, has launched project Molasses, which came out with iOS 8. Now with iOS 8.1, devices are running hotter, so you're now running Hot Molasses, which flows a bit faster, but not much.

Cure for this sluggishness... buy a device with a real processor!

This is the smartest thing I have read all day. THANK YOU.

No. Apple's digital signing certificate prevents this. The only exception to this is on any a4 devices and in very very special cases with the first ipad 2, because of a low-level bootrom exploit allowing bypassing of the signing certs, thereby allowing the downgrade. However, iTunes 12 has blocked the restoring of custom firmwares in attempt to essentially stop firmware downgrades.

I spend a lot of time in some other forums and EVERY time a new firmware comes out, people gripe and moan. The common complaint is that things ran faster on the old OS. Well, yeah, no duh. The new IOS is designed for a new chip. Every generation of apple product gets a new chip. Your old chip isn't going to run it that well.

Ever ran windows 7 on a pentium 4. It sucks. It's doable, but it sucks. Ever ran it on a pentium 3. Wait, have you ever seen a p3?

Your idevice is designed to last you two years. That's it. It is designed obsolescence. There have been 4 ipads released since your ipad 2 came out. Let's be series here. That's like being on a four year old receiver like an Integra 40.1 and complaining that you can't pass 4k or decode atmos.

If you're having problems with the new firmware, how did you get to the new firmware. Did you restore OTA or through iTunes. You'll notice the OTA updates through the device are very small, but a full firmware file is at least a gig. Doesn't that strike you as strange??

The OTA updates update the OS in such a way as they only modify the things that have changed since the last release. A full restore / update in itunes rewipes the entire firmware and writes it fresh. Which one do you think works more accurately.

If you have ever read anything about updating OS's on Mac Computer or iOS devices, the recommendation is ALWAYS to start fresh. Fresh firmware, clean install of Yosemeti. Sure, apple has designed the system where you don't have to do clean restores, but that's because they are trying to make it dummy proof for the end user. I guess I expected more from audio video professionals...

Normally I would not respond to this, but have to be honest, your response is quite douchey. I really don't think any "schooling" was in order.

All I asked was if the iOS could be rolled back. If you read my last post in this tread, I indicated that I had success installing 8.1.1. I didn't need your Apple fanboy diatribe as to why me/we are all so wrong.

In regards to whether I have ever seen a P3 (insert condescending tone), well yes. In fact my first PC was a DOS driven TRS80 with a tape deck. I did not grow up in the "app era".

While I agree with some of your content (as installers we need to be aware of change), I believe your other message is wrong. I understand my 2-yr old iPad is outdated by some standards, but in comparison to a Windows PC, Microsoft always provided minimum and recommended specs in order for their software (presented as a new product, not an "update") to run well. And, while it is my final decision to update or not, Apple should provide the same guidance instead of the blanket mantra "always run the newest".

In regards to you "expecting more of audio video professionals" - that is a shallow, baseless statement. Are you aware that clients will tend to "upgrade" when provided the option, regardless of whether or not they have been warned? And guess who's fault it is when things go awry. What kind of control do we have over client actions? Sure its my job to know what kind of changes these updates will bring, but very few will have enough advance warning to have a planned response before the flood of phone calls. So, if Apple (or others) cannot provide a solution - especially when its as basic as allowing a rollback - we are simply at the mercy of their whims. In the end it really seems that Apple's actions are more geared towards forcing new purchases than proving a better user experience.

As an Apple fanboy, I'm sure you disagree with all that I have said. As you stated, you spend a lot of time on other forums. Maybe you should stick to those where its much more acceptable to condemn people than to offer up solutions to reasonable questions. Have a few cold ones before you respond next time.