On July 10, 2012 at 21:46, Fins said...
While they may work fine for appliances and motors, from my experience they don't clamp quick enough to save electronics.
That post says all facts and numbers were ignored. No lightning rod does protection. What does protection? What does a lightning rod connects to? He never once mentioned earth. He completely ignored over 100 years of well proven science. He repeated only what advertising told him to believe.
Clamp fast enough? Read manufacturer spec numbers. Less expensive and superior protectors respond in nanoseconds to surges that are microseconds. A time that may increase when a human foolishly ignores numbers such as 'less than 10 feet'. How many times was that critical number posted?
A FL couple suffered multiple lightning strikes to a house wall. They installed lightning rods. Then that wall was struck again. If using observation as Fins did, then the FL couple cried, "Woe is me. I will always be a victim." Instead they used reality. That means numbers.
Lightning finds a best connection to earth. Bathroom plumbing struck repeatedly because it connected to more conductive soil. Lightning rods only connected to 8 foot rods in poor conductive sand. Rather than entertain urban myths and wild speculation, the FL couple had their only problem solved. Anyone who understood that previous post knows exactly what they did. An open challenge to each reader: did you read what was posted?
Lightning rods connected to inferior earthing. Therefore did zero protection. They installed more ground rods deeper into more conductive soil. No more lightning strikes - except harmlessly to lightning rods. Where did energy dissipate? Harmlessly in earth. Does a pattern emerge?
Lightning damage is directly traceable to human failure. If anything is damaged, then an informed homeowner upgrades earthing for lightning rods or a 'whole house' protector. What is the most common reason for damage? A human who says "they had a 'whole house' protector and still had damage". The informed say, "they had damage so let's fix what is defective - single point earth ground."
Why must an engineer, who did this stuff even decades ago, repeat concepts understood 100 years ago? Most every reply demonstrated that advertising does brainwashing. Each discussion of damage never once mentions earthing. Why? The concept is not taught in advertisements. Therefore many just cannot comprehend it.
Now some numbers. International design standards over 40 years ago said electronics must withstand 600 (not 300) volts without damage. That was long before the IBM PC existed. Today's standards require computers to withstand thousands of volts without damage. Why do computers remain undamaged when a power strip protector fails? Surges that cannot overwhelm internal appliance protection can easily destroy grossly undersized ($40 and $85) profit centers. Numbers say why a computer survives while a protector fails. Anyone who disagrees must post the appropriate manufacturer spec number. Good luck finding it.
Need we also discuss some resulting house fires? Or was that sentence also ignored?
UL1449 says nothing about protection. UL is about human safety. UL does not care if a protector does protection. UL tests for fire and other human safety threats. In some UL tests, a protector can completely fail. And still be UL listed. Because a protector does not create sparks or fire during UL testing.
Most educated by advertising assume UL (or ANSI/IEEE C62.xx) says a protector will do protection. Total nonsense. UL is only about human safety; not about transistor safety. Transistor safety means direct lightning strikes without appliance damage. UL does not test earth grounds.
More numbers. What does a 300 volt protector do? A 5,000 volt surge is approaching on one or all wires. Current flows in the same direction on all wires. A 300 volt protector, either, leaves 5,000 volts on one wire and connects 4,700 volts on other wires. Or 5,000 volts is on all wires of a protector that does nothing. Either way, that is still 4700 or 5000 volts into an appliance. Why does advertising forget to mention this? Honesty would hurt profits. A $4 power strip with ten cent protector parts selling for $40 or $85.
If one earths a 'whole house' protector, then voltage on any wire anywhere inside the house might be 330 volts. Because all incoming wires were connected short to earth ground - a maybe 330 volt connection. That near zero voltage means near zero energy inside the house. And voltages that cannot harm any appliance.
Informed consumers properly earth a 'whole house' protector. Then a 20,000 amp lightning strike means near zero volts inside the house. So that appliances rated to withstand 600 or a few thousands volts are not damaged.
The IEEE even defines properly earthed 'whole house' protection with numbers. It is not 100%. The IEEE Standard says "99.5% to 99.9% protection".
Phone lines for every North American reader have a superior protector installed for free. Because a 'whole house' protector is so effective, so inexpensive, so easy, and required by codes. How many recommended ineffective protectors without even knowing of that telco 'installed for free' protector? Many, educated by advertising, do not even know of an 'installed for free' protector. But somehow know more?
How many who had damage discussed the earth ground connection? Who is the only person responsible for that earthing? A homeowner who may not even know what earthing is. He then buys a magic box for protection because advertising said so. The informed homeowner inspects his earth ground.
bcf1963 is correct about energy in the entire lightning bolt. But that post only discussed energy onto or inside the house. Completely irrelevant is energy that dissipates in the sky. If a building is properly earthed, then near zero volts means near zero energy dissipates *in* a house. bcf1963 misunderstood the point. Protection is always about where energy dissipates. Near zero volts means energy dissipates elsewhere, outside, and harmlessly. Informed replies can say where energy dissipates - with numbers.
Either lightning connects low impedance (ie 'less than 10 feet') to earth. Or energy dissipates destructively inside appliances. It was always that simple. Protection is always about where "hundreds of thousands of joules" dissipate. Protection is not defined by a protector, disconnecting, a power conditioner, an urban myth, or claims made without numbers. Need I repeat a number that only informed readers remember? 'Less than 10 feet'. If advertising did not mention that number, then it must not be relevant? That is the definition of brainwashing.
What should have been discussed in each reply? Single point earth ground. Why did the FL couple eliminate lightning damage? Instead the naive cry, "Woe is me. I will always be a victim." A protector (or lightning rod) is only as effective as its earth ground - defined with numbers.