Personally I don't see Stamp's thinking to be any different than Keller's.

It is illogical. And also who says this or supports this? Where did this come from? 


You don't seem to understand 'rights.' Nobody has a right to a hamburger (or gun training). They have a right to pursue them, but not right to them. However, a business does not have a right to discriminate based on religious/race/politics. It is illegal. So it appears you 'don't have a clue.'

Not to mention, I find it funny that many believe in a psuedo-Darwinist view of business, in that if a business is bad (racist) the business will fail. This is an article of faith not based in history or rationality. To believe this you need to forget Jim Crow law, bused school children, and the National Guard being deployed. We as a society had to be forced, by law, to conform since there was none. Yet somehow today, if a business is just left to the 'free market,' it will just fail if it's racist.

Except for people like Crocket Keller. He'd probably find a way to support that business. So you lose some ethnic group's business, but you may gain further support from the Crocket Kellers of the world. And the business just continues on.

Sorry, but that didn't work before. Maybe it will work this time? Or 'it just hasn't been done right yet?'

Total nonsense in the paragraph above. Morality is what it is and there is no gray area. A man who steals bread to feed his family is a thief. Plain and simple. Everyone (excluding the mentally ill/challenged) knows the difference between right and wrong. Its very simple. Don't do anything to anyone else that you dont want them doing to you.

When the greeks were molesting children and the nazis were mudering jews they knew it was wrong. They did it anyway. Why? Because there are monsters among us. Some are throwing stones at women and others are sitting behind desks at large corporations. No they don't turn into wolves during a full moon but they are monsters just the same.


I do not tolerate hatred towards religions, sexes etc. I don't tolerate murderers or rapists either. NO ONE should tolerate this behavior.

If your belief system allows you to give Hitler the benefit of the doubt then you are the one with the problem.

Except stamp is on the right side of the issue.

Huh? Tell me where freedom of speech or freedom of thought has ever been an isssue in this thread. Or even in this story.

Your statement/question doesn't make sense. Unless you are conflating freedom of speech/thought/the way of doing business as all one thing.

That's obvous, but the explaination is lacking. Unless Stamp is advocating gas chambers or Aryan supremacy over rednecks this a false equivalence with extremely tenuous rationale.

That you (and others) cannot tell the difference between redneck prejudice and Nazism is ridiculous.

The very idea that anyone would or even could dictate how someone thinks is insanity. Where did you get this idea from?

The law is put in place so that when the rednecks racist thoughts leave his backwards moronic mind and it starts to spill over into the world where everyone else lives... we can fine him, sue him arrest him etc.

So is it okay for you to think about roping a homosexual to your pick up truck and dragging him around a parking lot? Thats for you to decide and no one can stop you from thinking it.

But the moment you actually have rope in your hand and your headed towards a homosexual you plan to drag around... thats where the law all of a sudden becomes important.

Will the law stop you from doing it? No. Will it stop you from doing it again? Yes.

Aren't they? If you are telling me how I have to do business you are telling me how I have to think and speak to be acceptable.

Anyone that endorses trying to legislate thinking and morality. Granted, this is a tough one because I dont care what anyone says, it is very hard, if not impossible to separate one's moral and religious opinions from their decision making on issues like voting.




I dont think so. Not since Stamp sounds like he is ready to roll in the train cars and start loading them up with racists and anyone he deems a redneck.



Im not offended by Keller's bigotry because it doesnt include me. Stamp's bigoted use of the term redneck is offensive to me. Keller's actions induce more of an embarrassed and humiliated emotion, due to sharing commonalities like being white southern conservatives and fear of his actions furthering obvious stereotypes.

Uh, no. Not even close. I've explained it three or four times.

Maybe The Pizza Analogy:

MCN: baby, can I get slice of cheese?

MCN's wife: why, do you hate my pepperoni? 

MCN: no, I just want a slice of cheese.

MCN's wife: because you hate my pepperoni! Why do you hate my pepperoni? 

No law deals with thoughts. That's insanity. No law tells you have to run a business. But it does tell you how may not run a business: discriminate based on race/religion/politics/gender etc.

There are also laws against crushing up puppies and selling it as steak. Why are you telling me how to run my business? 

So you are against people that don't exist in this thread, or this story with Keller.


That is the most intellectually dishonest thing I've seen typed in this thread. Not that there hasn't been contenders, but this takes the cake. Congratulations. Or, you're just joking.

Either way, wow.


I am offended by Keller's bigotry. All of us should be. However, you can't to tell the difference between Stamp and Keller.

Thats where you are completely wrong. They think they are right (well, except for maybe the pedophile). The Nazi's were really convinced they were right. Racists really believe they are superior. Muslims really think stoning a woman to death is correct. The guy in the video 100% believes he is correct. That is what you fail to understand.

A psychiatrist did a study on what could be considered the core of this issue. He found that basically everyone thinks they are a good person. One example in his book was a death row inmate that he interviewed. The guy was in for multiple murders and was caught finally because he killed a cop. The inmate said it was the cop's fault he killed him. He said, "If he just hadnt stopped me I wouldnt have had to kill him. He made me do it". Now granted, the guy is obviously a little off. But ultimately he felt all of his actions because others forced him to do them.

In this case law does not state what you must do: it does state what you cannot do.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong. In reality, you are deciding what is moral based on modern day western Judeo-christian teachings. While some of the core things like murder and stealing extend across most cultures, right and wrong isnt set in stone. That is, unless you basically want to say one religion is right and all others is wrong, there by rendering your morality as the only valid one.



I didnt say anything about giving Hitler (or anyone else) the benifit of the doubt. I am talking about respecting their freedom to be a dumbass.

Now one question on that. Something that I havent found a solid answer on with google. It seems to be the consensus here that the laws applicable to this topic apply to all businesses. But is that really the case? Do they apply to small business owners? Or does a business have to be of a certain size before they are required to follow the civil rights acts? Because other similar laws do have such loopholes. For example, the federal fair housing act allows for landlords to discriminate as long as they have no more than four units, and the landlord lives on the property.