You were wrong on the disks (and you just found the most obvious one because all of Foxs titles use DTS-HD MA) but there are more studios and titles on bothe sides

I don't know if they are liars, misinformed, or just out of date or could just be the guy was talking about the value of DTS-HD (and DTHD) decoding in the receiver and just added a useless comment.

I will be on Vacation for the next few days, you have until I come back to find the answer by yourself.

PS not currently out, but you could also search on the specs of some of the new HD DVD players from Toshiba and their specs :) to show how dumb that statement actualy is.

PPS didn't this discussion start off when you said video 1.0 player won't do PiP and so the person needs to buy a new player. And I responded that there will always be features missing from some player and DTS-HD was only one of the examples of what a current HD DVD player can't do and someone loses out on some of the features that came on their disk? If it was easy and all players ever sold had that feature it would not have made a good example.

If it was not included and needed for games then I am guessing there would have been a different strategy. But yes, it is obvious that the PS3 is one of the major factor that BD is kicking HD DVDs butt. Funny that some thought it would have zero effect.

It is also the major reason that HD-DVD has 0 chance of winning

1) every game is on BD so that decreases replication costs because a lot more BDs are replicated in extremely large numbers

2) because every game is on BD it means that Sony can't remove the BD drive, so BD/PS3 players for the next 3-5y will outsell all other players

3) People don't need to go out of their way and "bet" on a movie technology that might not go anywhere by spending money on a format that does not succeed. As penetration increases and BD gains momentum more of the people that own a PS3 will use it as a BD player until the time where their confidence in BD and the price of stand alones becomes cheap enough that people feel comfortable to buy more players. That is why Toshiba will never sell enough players. 300$ or 200$ might seam cheap to us, but to someone that goes to the stor and sees the 25$ DVD player and the 100$ up scaling player that can play every movie makes that extra money seem high for so little more




BD is not Sony proprietary, it belongs to the BDA. And unlike HD DVD that seems to only have Toshiba's support and appears to be mostly dropped by its other contributors (where is Sanyo or NEC) BD has many manufacturers from the beginning that contributed to it and still support it.

so except for evidence like the amount and time frame given by someone discussed by the illegal activity there is no proof :)


And I guess if you ask a robber or a murderer if they did it you also expect them to say yes they did?


it is illegal. Go check out the antitrust rules and SEC laws. It would actually brake several laws.

in essence the two family of laws are
1) antitrust: A company is not allowed to give money or incentives with the agreement of exclusivity
2) SEC: A company is not allowed to make "bad" business decisions based on external factors that are not part of their regular business. (i.e. bribes are not part of regular business and so a business decision based on that is illegal because it could hurt investors if it costs Paramount some business -and it costs them their whole BD business)

what do you think the authoring costs to be? as for replication how much more can it be? they sold around 2x as many BDs as HD DVDs. Once the video transfer is done the major video cost is done, once the PCM is created to create what ever you want the cost to DD, DD+, DTHD or keeping it PCM is minimal. What costs them so much?

As for the HW cost? how does that affect them how much you or I paid for the player. If they do care so much then continuing supporting both will save money to the majority of people (since anyone with BD won't need to buy an other player and anyone with nothing can buy what they want) if it is the delusion that a cheaper price will prevail, then how come it has not worked so far? HD DVD has always been cheaper. They could just wait and see what happens.

Let me ask you these few simple questions

1)do you agree that they have most likely done some (if not all the work) on the announced titles that should be coming out soon?
2)Do you agree that once a title has a master there is no more mastering costs and the only cost left is replication?
3)So if it is truly cost to them and cost to us wouldn’t it have made more sense to just continue with the BDs that have been released and that have a ready master and just stop releasing new BD titles that were not in the pipe line?

What you are missing is that what happened IS ILLEGAL and so, like any crook, you need to make reasonable doubt. The problem is that unlike Universal where it was easier to hide the real reason and make reasonable doubt “we chose HD DVD first and we don’t think the market is big enough to re-evaluate our position”. In this case HD DVD was haemorrhaging and needed to try and slow down BD or else Toshiba and MS would lose.


agree and when your logical self knows it is a bribe (I don't like payoff because incentives can be anything while payoff gives the illusion of a suitcase filled with unmarked bills) but you choose to ignore it, that is the definition of a fanboy. Choosing to believe in something that makes no sense to you let alone to anyone else.



what alleged payoffs? except for someone in this thread trying to make excuses for HD DVD I have not seen any source that talked of payoffs for them. The problem with this is that choosing to support the format that is selling much better makes perfect business sense.

third

"You were wrong on the disks (and you just found the most obvious one because all of Foxs titles use DTS-HD MA) but there are more studios and titles on bothe sides."

And I admitted my mistake, unlike you.

"It is also the major reason that HD-DVD has 0 chance of winning"

Wrong again. When you go back and look at the number of media formats Sony has tried to bring to market exclusively, the numbers are pretty big. They included BetaMax, Memory Stick, Universal Media Disc, Mini-Disk, Professional Disk for Data, HiFD, Music Clip and the Super Audio CD. I know this is impossible for you to even comprehend. But Blu-Ray just might get added to the list.
Paramount and Dreamworks went HD DVD exclusive for several reasons. Regardless of the reasons they did switch. They are not dummies. And the general public isn't either. As time goes on more and more people will realize Blu-Ray is not the holy grail of HD formats.

show me a mistake and then that I did not admit it.


Beta was actualy the predominant professional format until very recently, also Sony has had many successes such as CD, they were also a part of DVD but if you want propriatary, how about the PS. On the other hand since Toshiba is the only one releasing HD DVD and the rest like NEC and Sanyo have abandonesd it, HD DVD is much more propriatary then BD, so can you name one other tech that Toshiba brought to fruition?



yup 150M of them

and you are paid to try and con people into beleiving that

You said there were players that would do DTS-HD MA and I proved you wrong. But of course you will not admit you were wrong. As everybody on this forum know you are never wrong.


Paid? My god you are delusional.

how did you prove me wrong. Spend the week do some searching do you think a misinformed note in an article about a receiver is proof. I told you, I am giving you one week while I am away for you to be less ignorant and find out for yourself that there actually is at least one player that does do it. I also pointed you to the new Toshibas that will be out soon that do transmit DTS-HD MA as well as DTHD that make those notes even more ridiculous. Since there are players that will be sending out compressed and then the receiver will need to decompress it (the authors point)


well then you musty be an idiot since all you do is come here and post BS and marketing for HD DVD

Which of course is all you do for BluRay. I guess that make you a stupid idiot by your own measure.

WOW!! You guys are still at it!!!! LMAO!

Oh, arguments tend to get drawn out around here...

I don't need a week. I have read all I need to on the subject. I will say it one more time. There are no players currently on the market capable of encoding DTS-HD MA. DTS-HD HR and MA playback is limited to the DTS-HD Core, which delivers 1.5Mbps DTS Surround, but is unable to deliver the full encoded data.
Again, name just one player!!!



I am aware of the new Toshiba coming soon. It is not out yet. That means not current. By the way, my Toshiba XA-2 does DolbyTrue HD now. Not soon. But now. You are showing your ignorance again.


You call me an idiot? And a liar, fanboy, con man and other choice words. You said this about Alan Bell's interview:

"none of it remotely true and none of it into the reason they went HD DVD exclusive wich were illigal bribes. 150M$ to be exact"

You said this about the Home Theater review of the Onkyo receiver, which mentioned DTS-HD MA:

"I don't know if they are liars, misinformed, or just out of date or could just be the guy was talking about the value of DTS-HD (and DTHD) decoding in the receiver and just added a useless comment."

You are the most belligerent, obnoxious FUD spreader I have ever tried to reason with. Anyone (not just me) that gets in the way of you spreading your BS gets put in a less than desirable category. My guess is you are a 13 year old, as evidenced by your incoherent sentences and constant misspelling of the simplest words.

Responding to queries on the payment report, Paramount released a statement saying: “The reason we made this decision is simple. After a year of fully experiencing and exploring both formats, we decided to exclusively support HD DVD because of the quality, value and potential the format offers. Beyond that, whenever we conduct co-marketing, production deals or other agreements, we never discuss business terms.”

Paramount spent a year with both formats. They chose HD DVD.

As I believe Alan pointed out, the two formats, in the grand scheme of things, are virtually identical for all intents and purposes - 1080p video, lossless audio, interactivity. The differences are relatively incremental otherwise.

My greatest fear should HD DVD win, is that we'll have to deal with portion of Blu-ray fans who truly believe there's a big difference, reminding us for the next ten years that Blu-ray was the better format and should have won, blah blah blah.

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Six years in the future....

HDTV Reviewer: "The picture and sound on Transformers 3 was nothing short of stunning - a 10/10 on both picture and sound is warranted for this exceptional HD DVD! This reference disk should find a place in every enthusiast's collection."

Meanwhile, in the Comments Field:

BLuBoiE08: "Just noe that Blur-ray shld haev won!@! If this had ben on bluray.,, it have been a 12/10! Stoopid low bitrate HD DUD! Barely better th@n SD! Blu-ray FTW!!!!!!!!1111!!!11

As I find myself once again in Barbarian territories I do not have access to real newpapers. Anyone see the article on DVD format war in USA Today?

[Link: usatoday.com]

"HD DVD's supporters expect that retailers may reassess their allegiances as player sales increase. "The same way I changed my mind, watch how many other people change theirs, starting with Blockbuster," DreamWorks Animation CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg said last week in announcing the studios' shift.

Katzenberg said he had been skeptical about releasing films such as Shrek on high-definition discs because high prices of players precluded many families from adopting either format. Now, he expects sub-$200 HD DVD players by the holiday season. "If the consumer sees a value and wants it, retail is going to find a way to put it front and center for them," he said." USA Today

I hope this quote does not open me to a copyright infringement law suit

Money aside, it appears that Katzenberg believes that cheap or cheaper players will decide which format wins the war.

Is Ernie chastising Owen Wilson too? Come code with me across the Rubicon, Ernie, and you may well come to understand why suicide may indeed be preferable to life away from Rome and civilization. Imagine trying to find a breakfast that does not include a) tons of sugar, b) pork, C) carbohydrates and more carbohydrates. No wonder there is an obesity epidemic in the wasteland.

Alan