I'm curious, what exactly is their problem with adding discretes? I saw the bit about the original remote not having buttons for these codes, but so what? People who just have the original remote (and no Pronto, etc) will be blissfully ignorant that they even exist, they'll certainly be no worse off. People who need discretes need to have programmable remotes as most devices lack real buttons for them.

Are they aware that brands that tend to not include discretes get called nasty names (ie, TOAD).

I just see what they think they have to lose.

Rob
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