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Post 16 made on Thursday December 10, 2009 at 02:49
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On December 9, 2009 at 10:36, wogster said...
Many systems now can boot from a USB device as well, so a QBD can be created on a USB drive.   Naw floppies are still dead.  I remember some of the early systems, seeing an IBM 4341 that had an 8 inch floppy drive.  Then playing with micro-computers including a Northstar Horizon that had a hard sectored 5 1.4" floppy, then the 3.5" even had a zip drive in one computer.....  If the optical and hard drives both quit at the same time, I think I would toss the whole computer out the window into the snow. 

LOL
In this particular case though, a PVR, you probably wouldn't bother with a floppy drive, a bootable CD/DVD drive is probably sufficuent, bigger question would be DVD or BluRay?  2 years ago, when I built the computer I am typing this on, BR was too expensive, I don't know if that is still the case or not.

Yep, this Asus board can but I'm enough of a Dino to not have tried yet.

Pity that there won't be a MDP-140 model with better tuner but the maker has lost rights to certain licences, yet over
at the forum, the gang still use theirs as a file playback device because of the hardware decoding, this relates to your question on BR, as the 130 only does DVD but takes the MPEG2 directly and upscales.
Anyhow, set top players are coming down in price and both Acers are HDCP compliant so an adapter to DVI can be used
but i have my eye on models that include all three.

So I wouldn't even bother with a PC approach to BR as software decoding can be a PITA. If you want to go region free though, then a PC would be best but you'd still need CSS decoding as well, right now only the commercial AnyDVD HD does this, as the other product DVD Region Free hasn't been in development since '06/'07.

You can get more info from experts at the AVS forum.
http://www.avsforum.com/
Post 17 made on Thursday December 10, 2009 at 05:06
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On December 2, 2009 at 19:09, wogster said...
Not sure if this is strictly on topic here, if not my apollogies in advance.

I see, looking at the big shops like Futureshop that they have lots of cable/sattelite  compatable PVR's but none that seem to be Over-the-air compatable.  Anyone know (preferable recommend) a few models that are OTA compatable, and who sells them?

Something like this? :

[Link: digitalconnection.com]

comparable in cost to a Media PC/HTPC.

actually there are two models, the 6620N and 6640N, which I suspect is newer.

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OP | Post 18 made on Thursday December 10, 2009 at 10:06
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On December 10, 2009 at 05:06, Bruce H.Campbell said...
Something like this? :

[Link: digitalconnection.com]

comparable in cost to a Media PC/HTPC.

actually there are two models, the 6620N and 6640N, which I suspect is newer.

Yes now where can you buy it for Canadian dollars without needing to pay international shipping, customs and brokerage fees?
Post 19 made on Thursday December 10, 2009 at 17:57
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On December 10, 2009 at 10:06, wogster said...
Yes now where can you buy it for Canadian dollars without needing to pay international shipping, customs and brokerage fees?

If I wanted it bad enough, I say to hell with it, the two 130s arrived when the price was closer to MSRP in '05,
with shipping[UPS] had to pay PST,GST but no broker fees, it depends on category, computer related stuff
should pass through.
Google/Yahoo/Bing is your friend:

The manufacturer's website. Though they are owned by Divco, the maker of the Fusion7HDTV pci/pcie cards.

[Link: tvix.co.kr]
from their site;
[Link: tvix.co.kr]
leading to these guys;
[Link: onlybestrated.com]
but I'd keep searching, these guys are hoity-toity and are likely to gouge, I'd stick with Digital Connection, they're US but along with the user groups you'll never get better support. Exchange will never be better than now, better than when I got my two MDP-130s from DC. People should be comparing our dollar to the Pound Sterling and the Euro, in that regard we are still low in value.

The 6620 is for ATSC, the 6640 is the Euro DVB-T standard.

At this point I should ask you to help me find a job...my money is running out and here I'm doing your work for you!
:-)

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OP | Post 20 made on Thursday December 10, 2009 at 18:58
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On December 10, 2009 at 17:57, Bruce H.Campbell said...
If I wanted it bad enough, I say to hell with it, the two 130s arrived when the price was closer to MSRP in '05,
with shipping[UPS] had to pay PST,GST but no broker fees, it depends on category, computer related stuff
should pass through.
Google/Yahoo/Bing is your friend:

The manufacturer's website. Though they are owned by Divco, the maker of the Fusion7HDTV pci/pcie cards.

[Link: tvix.co.kr]
from their site;
[Link: tvix.co.kr]
leading to these guys;
[Link: onlybestrated.com]
but I'd keep searching, these guys are hoity-toity and are likely to gouge, I'd stick with Digital Connection, they're US but along with the user groups you'll never get better support. Exchange will never be better than now, better than when I got my two MDP-130s from DC. People should be comparing our dollar to the Pound Sterling and the Euro, in that regard we are still low in value.

At this point I should ask you to help me find a job...my money is running out and here I'm doing your work for you!
:-)

I think I will stick with the idea of building a media PC with a tuner card, all you really need is a mobo, processor, some RAM, a hard drive, tuner card, video card with composite, VGA or HDMI output, since the TV supports all three, and a DVD player.  Could probably build it on the cheap for about $300, stuff a copy of Linux on it running Myth and your done.  

Spending a little more you could use BluRay instead of DVD and add wireless Keyboard and Mouse and use a MediaPC case instead of a mini-Tower.  Probably still come out under $500.   Of money is no object and you don't mind finding that Ugly Betty didn't get taped because the MediaPC crashed (again). You could install Windoze Media Edition. double the size of the RAM and HD while getting half as much for you to use and raise the cost to about $900. 

As for the job, if I can find a more suitable one, you can have mine, providing you don't mind working nights and lifting heavy boxes.  The only redeeming factor is that the weekend starts at 8:30am on Friday :-).

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Post 21 made on Thursday December 10, 2009 at 19:14
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On December 10, 2009 at 18:58, wogster said...
I think I will stick with the idea of building a media PC with a tuner card,

OK, cheaper if you buy a refurb to upgrade.
You could install Windoze Media Edition. double the size of the RAM and HD while getting half as much for you to use and raise the cost to about $900. 

Oh! hell no, MCE is a dog of an OS!, I'd stick with XP Home, or W2kP as I'm using now or as the guys in the user group have said, W7 using the XP SP2 compatibility choice...as I like the 130s interface...[not the VM mode though] :-)
OP | Post 22 made on Thursday December 10, 2009 at 22:39
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On December 10, 2009 at 19:14, Bruce H.Campbell said...
OK, cheaper if you buy a refurb to upgrade.

Oh! hell no, MCE is a dog of an OS!, I'd stick with XP Home, or W2kP as I'm using now or as the guys in the user group have said, W7 using the XP SP2 compatibility choice...as I like the 130s interface...[not the VM mode though] :-)

I have been around computers for a long time and every version of Windows has been a dog.  Kinda like the Mac advert where PC guy says this one will be different and Mac guy reminds him that he has been saying that since 3.0 at least.

Like I said, probably use on of the Linux based systems and Myth.  This computer runs Ubuntu 9.10 right now, and no problems so that would be a choice, have it automatically log in as a special user that runs MythTV full screen as part of the startup.
Post 23 made on Friday December 11, 2009 at 06:17
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On December 10, 2009 at 22:39, wogster said...

Like I said, probably use on of the Linux based systems and Myth.  This computer runs Ubuntu 9.10 right now, and no problems so that would be a choice, have it automatically log in as a special user that runs MythTV full screen as part of the startup.

Have you read my public profile here on RC?... in addition I'm heavily into emulation.
I announced here last year that the last of my PIIIs died, that was my multiboot machine.
Win '98, 2000Pro and Atari and Mac under an open source emulator[and I hate those commercials...pandering to the ignorant] plus an upgraded Mandrake 6.0 Linux on its own drive, though I may try Ubuntu in the future.
I've been neglecting my Falcon but keep it if I ever get back to music.
That's the only drawback to emulation, no MIDI....so you still need a real Atari with its' ports. PCs and Macs have always had timing troubles that Atari's upgraded C/PM language never had.....ask any musician of the '90s or '80s.
Contemporary mobos only support 2000 or later, hence i didn't rebuild the multi.
I actually like 2000Pro, no activation nonsense, better support of legacy software, among a list of other things.

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OP | Post 24 made on Friday December 11, 2009 at 08:37
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On December 11, 2009 at 06:17, Bruce H.Campbell said...
Have you read my public profile here on RC?... in addition I'm heavily into emulation.
I announced here last year that the last of my PIIIs died, that was my multiboot machine.
Win '98, 2000Pro and Atari and Mac under an open source emulator[and I hate those commercials...pandering to the ignorant] plus an upgraded Mandrake 6.0 Linux on its own drive, though I may try Ubuntu in the future.
I've been neglecting my Falcon but keep it if I ever get back to music.
That's the only drawback to emulation, no MIDI....so you still need a real Atari with its' ports. PCs and Macs have always had timing troubles that Atari's upgraded C/PM language never had.....ask any musician of the '90s or '80s.
Contemporary mobos only support 2000 or later, hence i didn't rebuild the multi.
I actually like 2000Pro, no activation nonsense, better support of legacy software, among a list of other things.

I haven't played much with the Mac, have installed just about every version of Windoze, if people think Linux installs are hard, try reinstalling WinNT, man that thing was ugly, took an hour and a half and 9 reboots then decided it didn't like the SCSI card in the machine. even though the same version of NT had been running for 2 years on the machine, and needed to be reinstalled due to security requiring that the machine be reduced to bare metal before being repurposed.   Of you want stability the best OS ever was VM/370, even the boot drive catching fire couldn't kill it.

We are getting off topic though, for a PVR I want something as solid as I can get, and no version of Windows since 3.0 has been solid enough, not sure about Win7, but what I have seen of Vista, well no.  Ubuntu is solid enough, I reboot this machine about once a week after downloading the latest security updates, to make sure that the updated drivers and such are in memory.   On a PVR I would disable a lot of stuff, that wasn't needed for that function.  Probably not put in networking, so security updates would not be needed.  There are Myth based versions, so maybe put on one of those.
Post 25 made on Friday December 11, 2009 at 16:08
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On December 11, 2009 at 08:37, wogster said...
  On a PVR I would disable a lot of stuff, that wasn't needed for that function.  Probably not put in networking, so security updates would not be needed.  There are Myth based versions, so maybe put on one of those.

Yep, in that sense I'm an old dog learning new tricks, for a faster booting machine I'm learning how to use nLite, an acquaintance of mine says I can get 2000 down to 93 Mb, rather than the 4-8gigs it usually takes up,slightly more for XP, just by removing unneeded services. I just never did that before as one machine serves as a backup for the other so I don't lose internet access. Then there's vLite for Vista and W7. The point is if you can afford to make each machine single purpose, then you can strip alot off and just keep what's essential to run the tuner(s) and recording/timeshifting apps.
That way if the power goes out while you're not at home, it'll reboot itself more dependably or if during a recording session away you might only lose 30,20 or maybe even just 10 seconds of material, depending how fast the app relaunches and reads it's recording schedule, part of which should be already in the registry before the reboot.
Right now I can lose up to two minutes because of the upgrades make both bloated.
I hear Myth works great with the HD Homerun, though keep the RJ45 jack active, because you may want to connect once a week for the Program Guide[s]...Zaptoit or Schedules Direct and sync your clock with the NIST time servers. That's the only reason I like the Motorola portable modem....looks like a pie slice sitting on its wider edge.
OP | Post 26 made on Friday December 11, 2009 at 16:30
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On December 11, 2009 at 16:08, Bruce H.Campbell said...
|  On a PVR I would disable a lot of stuff, that wasn't needed for that function.  Probably not put in networking, so security updates would not be needed.  There are Myth based versions, so maybe put on one of those.

Yep, in that sense I'm an old dog learning new tricks, for a faster booting machine I'm learning how to use nLite, an acquaintance of mine says I can get 2000 down to 93 Mb, rather than the 4-8gigs it usually takes up,slightly more for XP, just by removing unneeded services. I just never did that before as one machine serves as a backup for the other so I don't lose internet access. Then there's vLite for Vista and W7. The point is if you can afford to make each machine single purpose, then you can strip alot off and just keep what's essential to run the tuner(s) and recording/timeshifting apps.
That way if the power goes out while you're not at home, it'll reboot itself more dependably or if during a recording session away you might only lose 30,20 or maybe even just 10 seconds of material, depending how fast the app relaunches and reads it's recording schedule, part of which should be already in the registry before the reboot.
Right now I can lose up to two minutes because of the upgrades make both bloated.
I hear Myth works great with the HD Homerun, though keep the RJ45 jack active, because you may want to connect once a week for the Program Guide[s]...Zaptoit or Schedules Direct and sync your clock with the NIST time servers. That's the only reason I like the Motorola portable modem....looks like a pie slice sitting on its wider edge.

The reason I would consider no Internet is that the TV is at the south end of the house and the internet box is at the North End, so it would mean running an RJ45 cable the entire length or using a wireless network card.  Which would be an option, as for power glitches, there are some cheap UPS units on the market now, so plugging it into one of those would be an option.   As for scheduling it's not strictly required and the old VCR it replaces doesn't have it.
Post 27 made on Sunday December 13, 2009 at 01:16
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On December 11, 2009 at 16:30, wogster said...
Which would be an option, as for power glitches, there are some cheap UPS units on the market now, so plugging it into one of those would be an option.  

Bought one in '98..didn't work as advertised...didn't give me the 15 minutes to shutdown '98.
just use it as a suppressor now.
OP | Post 28 made on Sunday December 13, 2009 at 09:19
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Most people do not fully understand how to use a UPS.  A UPS is rated typically in Volt-amps although bigger ones can be rated in kVA or even mVa.  Essentially you need to calculate the total requirement, then pick the proper sized unit.  In the case of a PVR where your only running the computer and not the TV and a bunch of accessories, then a 550VA outlet type is probably going to give you 15 minutes.  Which is longer then the typical power failure.  With a PVR you might want to use a unit that has a USB connection to tell the computer that your under a power fail condition, the unit will then shut itself dowm before the power goes off.

One thing I am not sure of, most computers these days when they go off, from a power failure, they stay off when the power comes back on.  You would need the ability in a PVR to come back on and start up when power was restored.  I think this can be set in the BIOS or with a jumper on some units (I don't recall which). 





Most power fialures are less then 2 minutes in length.  The ones most dangerous to computer equipment are the ones that are less then 1 second in length, the lights flicker and the computer dies from the power surge.  Saw this happen to a mainframe once, fortunately it used a motor-generator power supply so it didn't hurt the computer itself.  After that incident though, the company put in a computer room UPS that was as big as the Leibert A/C unit they had.
Post 29 made on Sunday December 13, 2009 at 09:53
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On December 13, 2009 at 09:19, wogster said...
then a 550VA outlet type is probably going to give you 15 minutes.  Which is longer then the typical power failure.  |

 
Only in Industrialized countries , in the rest of the world power typically fails for several hours. Oh Havana!!! lol.
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On December 13, 2009 at 09:53, hd fan said...
 
Only in Industrialized countries , in the rest of the world power typically fails for several hours. Oh Havana!!! lol.

The idea of a UPS is to give you time to do one of three things:

1) wait for a short power failure (under 5 minutes) to be resolved.
2) shutdown the equipment to protect it from power failure.
3) get the generator up to speed as an alternate supply. 

A PVR isn't a life and death matter anyway, nobody is going to die if you can't record the latest episode of House.  Of  course a power failure that lasts 20 seconds, a minute before, and you miss it because yout PVR missed the start time due to needing to reboot, that's annoying.
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