450 thats a bargan..... if you cant afford it you should not have bought it... the remote is only as good as the person programming it

ed

i would have to disagree as i had no programming experience whatsoever and am confident my end result if FAR superior to anything any programmer could have done for me, purely for the reason i know exactly how i want things set up. $450 may very well be a bargain if you just dont have the time to spend, or care enough about customization to do it yourself. i just dont think its fair to say a person shouldnt have bought it if they dont want to pay for programming. as i dont think being able to afford it is an issue as i doubt anyone speant their very last $800 on a remote! ; ) (at least i hope not! lol)

And how much money do you make in 40 hours? This is the difference between being skilled at programming the remotes and not. That's not to say you aren't capable as, you accomplished it. However, even if you were to play with it and tweak it to your liking, how much time would having a fully functional, automated remote to start with have saved you? How much of a jump start would that have provided with regard to your learning curve?


Far superior? I'm glad you think so. However, not having seen Dave's work, that's a very bold claim. Especially as he makes his living off of his expertise whereas, at best, this is a hobby for you. That's like saying because you were able to change the breaks on your car in a weekend, you did a much better job than your mechanic would do and saved all that money (grinding? That's normal, right?). I don't believe anyone is saying he shouldn't have purchased it if he didn't want to pay for programming. After all, he too can spend 40 hours working on it and save a whopping average of $11.25 an hour. Seeing as to how he has the $800 to spend on a remote, I'm guessing his time is worth much more than that.


And how's that $800 you've already spent working for you now? I'm not trying to be sarcastic (well, not too much), but the remote itself is great - when well programmed. I know Dave to be an excellent programmer and an honest business man. Ultimately, it's up to you whether you want to attempt it yourself or if you want a working product and want to dedicate your time elsewhere. It is your money and it is your time - which do you value more and which can you more easily afford to give up?

Well put RC

Like StealthX, I am (admitedly) unfamiliar with what you guys are capable of. No doubt a remote programmed by a professional will be absolutely slick. The problem is I am a picky customer that is capable of doing it and although I certainly make enough $ to pay to have it done, to me it's like buying a Rubik's Cobe and paying someone else to work it.

I, like stealth, enjoy programming it and have programmed almost every iteration of the Pronto before this, so my capabilities as compared to a first timer may be slightly more advanced.

I guess, other than enjoying it, is that I'm constantly rethinking the way it performs (I just made a slight change today). I think it would be quite embarrassing to send it back for a slight change (as I made this am)...or quite expensive. That said, perhaps if a more experienced person had programmed it, maybe I wouldn't have this new ideas of how it would work...maybe it would be doing it already. Even if that's the case it wouldn't help me with my "chronic upgrade sickness". But I do want my remote to think like I think, that's the beauty to me of a remote like this...it can. programming in new devices.

All that said, anybody who can't, or doesn't want to bother programming their remote shouldn't complain about another man putting bread on his table by doing so, I've done it and it takes HOURS and previous experience (more hours) have certainly helped me. If someone could put on paper the hours (I'd guess well over 40-60) I've put in over the years on Pronto's and Nevo I certainly wouldn't take $450 for it...sounds fair if you don't want to learn to do it yourself.

i think you missed my point. it was FUN to do. i wish it took me 100 hours! i did however have a fully functional universal remote that operated all of my devices in about 5 hours.

how much time would having a fully functional,

i would still have to figure out nevo studio wether the remote was already programmed or not. and NS comes with a sample project (although i didnt even notice it till a week later).


fair enough but dave isnt inside my head so it is relatively IMPOSSIBLE for him to provide me with something as personally customized as i have.


well frankyl i WOULD put alot more effort and care into my brakes than a mechanic would so what was your point again??? (not sure how the safety of my family and a remote compare to eachother)

and yes that is exactly what was said "if you cant afford to pay for programming then you shouldnt have bought it" which is down right insulting if you ask me, insinuating he cant afford it! and you above again keep bringing it down to a money issue. frankly i will wait for gas prices to go up just so i dont have to wait in line at the pump, money IS NOT an issue here.

i guess "you can give a man a fish and feed him for a day or teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime" would not be the most beloved saying of the FISH SALESMAN who's happy to SELL the man a fish each day, right RC?



i agree %100 Dave is a great guy, and i'm sure an excellent programmer. and for someone (i have said this already but i guess you didnt see it) who doesnt care about meticulous customization or just really doesnt want to put the time into it, then a programmer is a fantastic idea!

Silly me for keeping my responses on topic with the original question listed above. Of course, I keep coming back to money - this thread isn't about you - it's about responding to carrera32 and answering his question. I haven't missed your point. I'm glad you enjoyed programming it. To reiterate what carrera32 said...


He isn't you. He apparently doesn't have 40 hours to play with it. Please understand - I'm not trying to convince you that you should have paid Dave to program your remote. I'm trying to provide perspective to carrera32 in response to his questions.

Well folks, you certainly hit the nail on the head in this thread. There are definately two kinds of people. One who wants a custom programmed-remote, to fufill their needs at almost any cost. There are others who want to keep their hand in the process and like to learn, have a hobby and accomplish something on their own, in which they did not really think they could do (at the outset). Nice when you realize you could actually do it, enjoy it and marvel at your accomilishments, in this odd-arena.

Both sides win, as far as I am concerned. I supply remotes to folks who want to program their own and I offer assistance, moral support, etc., as far as I can. I also supply remotes to clients who know what they want but do not have the time nor the inclination to do it themsleves. This is really a by-product of simple economics.

There certainly are clients who want the work done for them and they expect a very professional job, completed in a short timeframe. Their interest is in the end product and they are paying for a professional to complete their job for them in a short timeframe. We offer mind-reading and solid "Best-Practices" on what a great programming job should look like. These folks pay for that knowledge and experience and in most cases, they are very appreciative of the outcome. If I anticpate their needs and offer a solution for them, they have received what they were after and they are appreciative as well and pay well for this work.

So, in my book, everyone wins. I think that is a good thing.

Dave

well put dave. and for the record i retract my comment that what i have come up wth is "far superior" to anything any programmer could have provided me. i'm sure you know little tricks and have ways of setting things up i hadnt even thought of. its more the time i've put into detail and personal customization i was refering to.

-Christian

Hi Stealth,

No worries. I have been through your config and it is quite nice. I think you could use smaller file-sizes in your backgrounds. Your nice pics are probably bigger (file-size) than needed. Your config is about 4 MB's and these nice backgrounds you put together could be reduced to 75k each if you resave them in a drawing program into .jpg or similar. Not that 4mb is a deal breaker. Just that maybe they take a little too much space up and might perform faster if they were small.

Dave

thanks for the advice dave, i'll check that out. as of now its been some time since i've had any issues with it freezing or it responding slowingly when i'm flipping pages, thats a good thing!

thnx again, Christian

To all the professional programmers of Nevo, when you do custom configuration do you provide all the functionality of the components remote or a sub-set?

It doesn't seem right to have a very nice remote that cannot do all the functions of the standard or "free" remote that came with the box.

In my opinion, if you have to use your old remote then there is something wrong with programming.

Carrera32... you are way off. Prtofessional programmers add things to remotes that make systems work. We often leave out buttons that can be used to screw stuff up.

I'VE ALSO HEARD OF PROGRAMMERS HAVING HIDDEN PAGES ON THE REMOTE WITH UNUSED, why am i yelling?.... buttons. so they can be accessed if needed but arent part of the main configuration.

What does an advanced users do when they need to make system changes?

I can see the logic for "hiding" buttons on pages that aren't used often, but at least they are there if you need them.

If all the functions aren't there then you would need to use your old remote to use the system, right?

This seems silly especially if you just spent $1200 to have nice custom configured remote to control all your systems.