Can anyone tell me how to convert these Pronto codes to Harmony659 commands? I've tried using the IR Analysis center but it either does nothing or claims it cannot convert them. These code were gotten using ProntoEdit on a .CCF file for Loewe TVs.

Ant A
5000 0000 0000 0002 0000 0025 0000 0000

Ant B
5000 0000 0000 0002 0000 0024 0000 0000

Vid1S
5000 0000 0000 0002 0000 0034 0000 0000

Vid1C
5000 0000 0000 0002 0000 0013 0000 0000

Vid2
5000 0000 0000 0002 0000 0033 0000 0000

Front
5000 0000 0000 0002 0000 001f 0000 0000

Vid3
5000 0000 0000 0001 0000 0039

VGA
5000 0000 0000 0002 0000 0014 0000 0000

Power Off
5000 0000 0000 0001 0000 0022

Power On
5000 0000 0000 0001 0000 000e

Thanks,
Alan

Are you sure each of those didn't have more lines, or didn't scroll more to the right or something? If you look at the format of pronto codes on the following page, you will see that there are typically many more groups of hex digits than the 7 or 5 that the codes above have. The only code in the list below that applies to loewe tv's is a discrete power off for the Q2500 chassis.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

Alan,
The codes that you have are RC5 codes. I have not been able to convert these type of codes into an IR sequence using Harmony's website.

The only type that I have ever been successful in converting, are the Pronto Hex Codes that are in "Raw oscilated learned code", and RC6A. These codes begin with 4-zero's (0000 ****....). The 5000 at the begining of your codes incicate that they are RC5.

The following is copied from a FAQ by Daniel Tonks, on this website. The complete FAQ can be found in the "Pronto Files" area of this website.

B4-03 What does 0000, 8000, etc. mean in a hex code?
The first four digits of a hex code reference the type of code that is to follow:

0000 - Raw oscilated learned code (also sometimes RC6A codes).
0100 - Raw unmodulated learned code.
5000 - RC5 codes.
5001 - RC5x codes.
6000 - RC6 codes.
7000 - Non-standard format database codes (all models).
8000 - Internal database codes (some models).
9000 - Automatically detected database codes (some models).
9001 - Yamaha code format (RAV-2000 only).

See this reply to my post:

[Link: remotecentral.com]

I've been able to convert some of those RC5 codes into "learned" 0000 codes that the harmony web page recognizes and converts successfully:

Vid3:

0000 0073 0000 000C 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0040 0020 09B7

Power Off:

0000 0073 0000 000B 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0040 09B7

Power On:

0000 0073 0000 000C 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 09B7

All of the other ones are too long for valid RC5 codes and look more like they should be RC5x codes. I will replace the 5000 in each of them with 5001 and try to convert them for you. I'll post another reply if that works.

Please let me know if the three codes above work on your TV!

Haha...the longer codes you listed seem to do just fine as RC5x codes and should start with 5001 and not 5000. The "learned" values are as follows:

Ant A:

0000 0073 0000 0010 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 00C0 0040 0020 0020 0040 0040 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 09B7

Ant B:

0000 0073 0000 0011 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 00C0 0040 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 09B7

Vid1S:

0000 0073 0000 0011 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 00C0 0020 0020 0040 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 09B7

Vid1C:

0000 0073 0000 0011 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 00A0 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 09B7

Vid2:

0000 0073 0000 0011 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 00C0 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 09B7

Front:

0000 0073 0000 0012 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 00A0 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 09B7

VGA:

0000 0073 0000 0011 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 00A0 0020 0040 0040 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 09B7

Again - let me know if these discretes work for your TV! Don't forget to go through the correct procedure as written by Ishlin in the thread linked to by oldskoolboarder above. Name your newly learned discrete codes according to the Harmony naming standards so that other Loewe users can benefit from your efforts.

spin-dizzy,
See... A little bit of "extra" initiative...which apparently I didn’t have… I guess I didn't have any patience when the first code didn't convert...
When all else fails… try… try… again.

quintoa,

If the hex codes that spin-dizzy converted work, please post to this thread. There have been many prior posts regarding this subject, that I believe went unanswered.

Dual conversion… go figure!

OK spin.....

You still have me stumped... I tried to convert the RC5 codes to Hex. I still get a conversion failure... Give it up! What's the trick?

Andy

Haha...no tricks Andy, a while ago I happened upon a command line utility written by an IR enthusiast - it converts among different formats including RC5 to Raw and RC5x to Raw. Really helps out in cases like this! I would normally give credit to the creator of the EXE file, but I honestly don't remember where I found it. The filename is GenerateRCx.exe, so maybe you can find it out there in the vast expanses of google-land!

Cheers,

spin

Thanks spin. That's a valuable tool.

The webpage for the program (near the bottom of the page) is here: GenerateRCx

Mike
www.SurfRemote.com

OK. Here's the deal.

The Vid3 and PowerOff, PowerOn codes work - those are the converted RC5 codes. The others - the converted RC5x codes do not appear to work - I tried all of them except Front.

Actually, for the PowerOn code the TV light blinks - like it's receiving a signal - but doesn't actually turn the TV on. But I suspect this is a different problem.

But here's a clue, what does work however, is having the Harmony learn the the direct input and power codes from the Pronto directly. This works for all the codes. All inputs, no problem. So my problem is solved. Finally.

Now one thing annoys me. Why were all these codes that didn't work in the Harmony database for my TV? Perhaps they were for other Loewe TV's I'm not sure. But you would think they would have a distinct set for each model.

Also, shouldn't the Harmony people be removing the ones that don't work. I haven't seen how to do that on their web site. If someone can point me how to get rid of the useless ones and add the ones I have verified to work I will be glad to do it. I will need to know what the "standard naming conventions" are though.

Also, here's the link for spin-dizzy's secret utility:

[Link: home.tiscali.nl]

Cheers,
Alan

I didn't realize you actually had a Pronto to work with! That certainly makes life easier!! Glad to hear that you've got everything working - shame that the RC5x codes don't appear to work though...strange stuff. I too would like to know how to delete learned IR commands that don't end up working - so far the only thing I've found is that you can overwrite one with a new code. As far as naming conventions go, some of the tips that Harmony suggests are as follows:

- Don't use spaces or special characters
- Capitalize the start of each word
- Preface the command name with the command type (i.e. discrete code for Video 3 - name it InputVid3)

Basically, name your new commands such that the next user setting up his/her system with the same equipment can clearly identify what each command does.

Thanks spin. As Mike said.. a very valuable tool.

As far as getting rid of useless IR signals from your devices:

I don't know if this works with the 659, but it does for the 768, and assume that it must for the 659, or no one would be able to set up a "new" device.

But it does take some work. If you re set-up your devices, selecting a device type manually, (select the manufacturer, and tell the wizard that you can't find the exact device model), you have the option to try different IR languages from a drop down list of IR databases. If you scroll down this list, you will find the device "language" called "EMPTY". If you select this entry, you can start with an empty device language, and learn all of the IR signals from your original remote.. or Pronto in Alan's case.

When you are done, you will only have the IR signals that you know are for your device in your configuration, the ones you just taught.

Hope that helps.

Andy

***EDIT*** BTW. Extra IR signals exist in the IR languages since they are catagorized in Harmony's Db by device type, and the manufacturer based on what the Harmony's users plug into their Home pages. Harmony updates the language Db based on this information.

As you have probably read in this forum, many users have devised work-arounds to get their Activities and Devices to do what they want.. for an example, a user wants an IR signal for their TV available in their DVD menu. A new IR signal is learned for the TV in the DVD device. Harmony picks this up as a DVD IR signal.

Another senario is that TV Model #1 from manufacturer X has more functions than a similar Model #2. The TV's both use IR Language "ManX language 1". Since TV Model #2 dosen't perform all of the same functions, through IR, as TV Model #1, you end up with IR signals that don't do anything for Model #2.

When the Harmony wizard selects the language for the device during set-up, it plugs in the entire "ManX language 1" into the device, whether your exact device uses all of the signals or not. The wizard works from the IR language set, rather than the device model #.

This message was edited by xandypx on 02/20/04 08:49.

Did you try looking at the codes that your Pronto is sending in the Harmony's IR center? Posting those hex codes might solve the mystery as to why the converted codes didn't work. It might also help anybody else who has this TV but doesn't have a Pronto to fall back on.

- Anthony

It's not my Pronto, but I will see if I can get my friend to bring it in, we can learn the codes. BTW, how do I get the hex strings once they are learned without putting them in the 'official' Loewe list. That that list is getting filled with various codes from this whole excercise - some of which work and some don't...

-Alan