I am at my wits ends trying to "teach myself to fish" with MakeHex and Denon Kaseikyo. I've read hundreds of posts and readme's for MakeHex and Kaseikyo and I can't get MakeHex to output codes that work. Furthermore, I have several different versions of MakeHex gathered from different sites, and several different IRP files supposedly for Denon-K.

While I do have working Kaseikyo hex from another member's PCF that solve my functional needs, the intellectual side of my efforts are strangely lacking. I want to understand how to make ones that actually work.

The only obvious difference between ones that work (from other PCFs) and ones generated using MakeHex is that MakeHex gives me codes that all end in 0ACE. Ones that work end in 0B1E.

Here's the one for "Band FM" that works:
0000 006C 0000 0032 0082 0041 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0B1E

Here's the one for "Band FM" that doesn't work (Device Code: 4.3 Function: 153) :
0000 0070 0000 0032 0080 0040 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0ACE

You can see that the differece is subtle. Only a few LSBs in most cases. I must be close!

I'm all ready for a newbie tongue lashing from johnsfine (just kidding), but I'm sure it will be enlightening... He knows his stuff for sure!

Thanks!!!

I think the important difference is the one that works is device 4.1 and the one you made with MakeHex is device 4.3

For some commands, device 4.1 is zone 1 and device 4.3 is zone 2.

Other commands seem to require a specific device code (4.1, 4.3 or 4.5) without being connected to the zone of that device code.

Since I have no clue what "Band FM" means I have no guess whether there should be different versions of that command depending on which zone you're trying to control, or whether it must always be device 4.1

Thanks for the quick response, Johnsfine. Band FM simply sets the tuner to FM no matter what the zone.

In any case, I tried it with zone 1 in the IRP file and ended up with the same non-working hex:

Device Code: 4.1 Function: 153
0000 0070 0000 0032 0080 0040 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010
0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010
0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030
0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030
0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0ACE

Device Code: 4.3 Function: 153
0000 0070 0000 0032 0080 0040 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010
0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010
0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030
0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030
0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0ACE

Here is the contents of the IRP file I'm using:
Device=4.1'.1=zone1 .3=zone2 .5=zone3
Function=153
Frequency=37000
Time Base=432
Zero=1,-1
One=1,-3
Prefix=8,-4
Default S=0
Define C=(D*16)^S^(F*16)^(F:8:4)
Suffix=1,-173
Form=;*,84:8,50:8,0:4,D:4,S:4,F:12,C:8,_

Can you point me in the right direction as to what the difference is between the hex in the working v non-working versions in the original post?

What do you mean by "same"? Your 4.1 sample from MakeHex is NOT the same as your 4.3 sample from MakeHex.

So what do you mean by "non-working"? My guess is you tested just the device 4.3 sample and it didn't work. You thought the device 4.1 sample was the same, so you didn't test it.



Here are the first two codes you posted. I marked in red the only two differences that matter. All the other differences are normal approximations that don't change any meaning.

working (device 4.1):

0000 006C 0000 0032 0082 0041 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0B1E

non working (device 4.3):

0000 0070 0000 0032 0080 0040 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0ACE

Last edited by johnsfine on September 30, 2006 12:33.

Johnsfine,

My bad. Your assumption was correct: I didn't actually try it. You'd think after looking at the codes three times I would have caught the single bit difference.

As soon as I tried the 4.1 hex codes everything works fine. Thanks for taking the time to help me out. I can now generate Denon-k to my heart's content!

Is there a separate Denon-k .irp file out there or is the most current Denon .irp file available with the download of MakeHex from remote central compatible with the Kaseikyo format by inputing a two number device code? If there is a separate file, could you point me to it? I have searched quite a few threads with no luck.

Thanks, Troy

Never Mind......

I just found the Denon-k .irp on Johns site.

It is predictable that the moment you ask is the moment you figure it out for yourself!