Under the discrete section, it gives codes for the Sony DSS receivers. Unfortunately, it seems that the power on/off codes do not work for the SAT-A50. I'm only able to learn the Power command from the actual remote.

Anyone have any luck with this DSS receiver?

paul,
to the best of my knowledge, this is the piece along with the b-50 that sony pulled the seperate on/off codes from. any sony dss prior to this has them . any sony past this does not. i suggest you leave the unit on all the time. make sure it is well ventilated. mine has been on now for 3 plus years with no problem. trying to use the toggle code to me is more trouble than it was worth.

On the x50 Sony forgot to put discrete power codes in. on the x55 you can use System Off, but that's it. On the x1 through x4 all discrete codes work. All digital recorder models don't have discrete power either. Not sure what works on the new x65 models.

under the IR library of the Pronto TSU 2000, either sony 1 or sony 2 has discreet on and off.....it works with the B55, it may work for the A50. Good luck

Apparantly LATE PRODUCTION x55 models support discrete power, but NONE of the x50 modes do.

I have a Sony SAT-A55. I am using an RS 15-2116 to teach a Sony AV3000 the standard Sony on/off discretes don't work. What can I try?

So for the SAT-A55 can you
create a macro to do "ALL SONY OFF" = OFF
create a macro to do "ALL SONY OFF"+"SONY TOGGLE" = ON
If so, how?

Please don't call me stupid I'm just trying to figure this stuff out.

You can do it but it will take a Jp1 cable and creating a special protocol and device upgrade unless someone else has already done so for the System Off. System Off is unusual in that all Sony device numbers below 32 use the 12-bit Sony protocol with the exception of System Off (device 5 command 55)that uses the 15-bit protocol.

OFA remotes like the 2116 use a combination Sony12/15 bit protocol that senses the need for the wider devcie field and will happilky produce a Sony12 Device=5 command that won't work.

Having said that, that command turns *all* Sony equipment off. And my experience was that using the System Off command was a pain.

I recently posted an economic analysis of the on vs off question. The bottom line is that for my DirecTV STB the power consumption was 12 watts on or off. Where I live that is >$4 per year and I could not measure the differece between on or off with a digital multi-meter. On or off it fluctuated between 100 and 103 milliamps RMS.

I frequently contribute to the JP-1 group and I'll be glad to help you if you want to go this route, but for the reasons that I have mentioned, I truly don't think you will use it very much.

-Jon

Thanks,

I think I will just leave the SAT-A55 on. Too simple.

The Sony "SYSTEM OFF" used on the AV3000 (System 1 button)is a series of 16 or so "off" commands. Not one single command. I noticed the first beep turns off my Sony STR-D565 and the second beep labeled "AMP" in the display turns off my Sony SAT-A55. How can I capture that second signal?

What setup code does your Sony DSS receier respond to in the RS 15-2116? Is it SAT_0639? If so have you tried assigning advanced codes EFC 113=On and EFC=109 that is Off.

Most Sony equipment responds to discrete on and off commands. So it sounds like AV3000 is just issuing a sequence of discrete off commands for each component. Therefore, your DSS receiver should respond to EFC 109.

System OFF is one command -- not a series. If you read back to Daniel Tonk's response. The later models of your DSS receiver do respond to discrete power commands. The only way to explain this behavior is that your DSS receiver responds to at least the discrete Off command

The 2116 takes a different procedure to assign advanced codes=EFC here is the procedure from Rob Crowe the OFA guru.

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Here are the instructions for the 15-2116....

1) Hold SETUP (green P), till screen reads "CODE SET"
2) Scroll down to "KEYMOVER",
3) Press SELECT, screen reads "FROM MODE"
4) Press the device button the code is coming from, screen
reads "FROM KEY"
5) Press SETUP, screen reads "SYNT"
6) Type the 3 digit advanced code
7) Press SELECT, screen reads "TO MODE"
8) Press the device button the code is going to, screen reads "TO KEY"
9) Press the button you are trying to program, screen reads "SUCCESS"

End Quote


Let me know if this solves your problem.

-Jon

Yes, I am using device code 0639 and have tried the 113,109 discretes to no avail. I am confused though about the system1 off command. When I press it I see my components go off one at a time not all at once. With each of several beeps from the AV3000. Doesn't that mean it is sending several different discrete off commands to the different device types. In fact if you look at the display during this cycle the device types change with each tsignal change.

JC1, it's probably the 2116 that no longer accepts 113 or 109 discretes, if you can get hold of an older ofa or RS remote, then it'll probably work. Remotes that include Rs 15-2103,2104, OFA 9800.8800,8090,8080,7800.

I have used the 113,109 discretes with the 2116 on many other Sony devices. The problem seems to be that Sony did not add the "normal" sony discrete codes to this particular model (SAT-A55). I did notice the SYSTEM1 button does turn off this unit along with everything else, so there must be a discrete off code for my SAT-A55 it is just not 109.

Edmund,

You are correct that many of the common setup codes were chanmged in the 2116 to use two-byte commands that cannot be assigned or key moved with out a JP1 cable and done through the PC based program IR.exe.

The reason was to allow one setup code to issue commands by multiple device/sub-device combinations.

However, I am fairly certain that SAT_0639 still uses the old single byte protocol that can be key moved/assigned by the new proceedure from Rob posted above.

JC1,

If the Sony remote is issuing commands sequentially then that would best explain the behavior that you are seeing. I do not know anything about that specific Sony remote. I do know the Sony protocols and they issue a command and repeat commands at 45 mS intervals therafter (.045 seconds or 10 commands in a half-second.)

So if you can *see* things being sequentiually turned off, that sounds more like a macro that is sending device 1 off and several repeats; changes to device 2 Off, issues several repeats; changes to device3 Off issues several repeats; etc. and, hence, a slower process.

The bottom line is I think your DSS receiver *does* respond to at least a discrete Off command and I think with Rob's process above that the 2116 can be programmed to issue those commands.

Added Remark after your last post. I would be very surprised that it resonds to any other Off command other than EFC=113 or System Off. Try assigning that Off to a different physical key. The 2116 has a number of keys that cannot be assigned/key-moved. You should also post over in the OFA forum if you can't resolve it with these suggstions.

-Jon

This message was edited by jarmstrong on 12/05/02 17:22.16.