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Time for Wifi replacement- suggestions please
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Post 31 made on Friday January 3, 2020 at 05:51
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On January 2, 2020 at 18:49, mrtristan said...
What about the new eero devices? what are your thoughts on that. I thought maybe because they are newer they might have some performance benefits

Two bands (new model) instead of three (Pro) and weaker WiFi signal to cover a smaller area, according to their tech support.
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Post 32 made on Friday January 3, 2020 at 06:44
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We do Pro only with EERO, and only hand-off the app to a few clients. They work so damn well. Perhaps consider black labeling them at a premium.

We deal with a smaller cable company that has started using Pros and the client facing app has the providers logo instead of EERO branding- so we know that’s possible. Said provider also rents them like any other gateway- not a shabby ROI- lol.

I have an OTA / Satellite buddy that is being pressured into selling EERO “Pucks” from his distributor which turns out to be the new version too- and dirt cheap. Well, not 3ea for $99 cheap ala XFi, but still...
Post 33 made on Friday January 3, 2020 at 09:34
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For those of you that dont know, or are coming to eero because of this thread, you need to sign up for the pro dashboard. if you have a client that wants to shut the kids off or self manage then you can give them the access to the app but still "Manage it" remotely. Its online only and not from your app but it helps!
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OP | Post 34 made on Friday January 3, 2020 at 14:40
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Thanks again for all the great input and discussion.
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Post 35 made on Friday January 17, 2020 at 09:55
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On January 3, 2020 at 06:44, Don Heany said...
We do Pro only with EERO, and only hand-off the app to a few clients. They work so damn well. Perhaps consider black labeling them at a premium.

We deal with a smaller cable company that has started using Pros and the client facing app has the providers logo instead of EERO branding- so we know that’s possible. Said provider also rents them like any other gateway- not a shabby ROI- lol.

I have an OTA / Satellite buddy that is being pressured into selling EERO “Pucks” from his distributor which turns out to be the new version too- and dirt cheap. Well, not 3ea for $99 cheap ala XFi, but still...

Are the Pro units better, even when just meshing them and not hard wiring between Pro units? (versus the Beacon)
I understand that you can get a hard wired connection out of a Pro EVEN when only meshed, is this true and how reliable is this connection?
Post 36 made on Saturday January 18, 2020 at 10:30
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On January 17, 2020 at 09:55, PSS said...
Are the Pro units better, even when just meshing them and not hard wiring between Pro units? (versus the Beacon)

Pro units always advisable. Beacon is a problem solver.

I understand that you can get a hard wired connection out of a Pro EVEN when only meshed, is this true and how reliable is this connection?

If you mean connecting a device to the second port, yes it works. I once used a Pro so I could snag a wired connection for a pool controller.
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Post 37 made on Saturday January 18, 2020 at 17:39
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I love Eero as well but just recenty worked with a Ubiquiti Amplifi Alien system and was throughly impressed. Setup was a breeze and we're getting over 800Mbps wirelessly. It also touts Wifi 6 tehnology which we don't see in a lot of other router/mesh systems
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Post 38 made on Sunday January 19, 2020 at 15:56
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As a wireless Engineer, Eero is the bane of my existence. So are mobile hotspots.
Post 39 made on Sunday January 19, 2020 at 16:28
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On January 19, 2020 at 15:56, Curt said...
As a wireless Engineer, Eero is the bane of my existence. So are mobile hotspots.

Hit us with a brief “why” if you don’t mind.
Post 40 made on Sunday January 19, 2020 at 19:35
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I would rather do Ruckus or Grandstream set up in mesh than Eero. Much more control over settings.
Post 41 made on Monday January 20, 2020 at 10:53
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On January 19, 2020 at 16:28, Don Heany said...
Hit us with a brief “why” if you don’t mind.

The short story is they cause a lot of co-channel interference and have a very high noise floor.

The longer version is they don't play well with others, at least none of the ones I've seen have. On 2.4 GHz they use channels outside of the standard 1, 6 and 11 (in the US) and are configured for 40 MHz wide bandwidth, neither of which should ever happen. 5GHz behavior is a little more acceptable because there are more non-overlapping channels available, but they tend to migrate to the busiest channels (UNII-1, UNII-3) instead of going to less-occupied spectrum (UNII-2, UNII-2e). They are taking advantage of the new B regulations allowing higher Tx, but I question if they're actually following regulations.

I joke that you should get EERO if you hate your neighbors. I can't imagine how bad performance would be if several of these were operating in close proximity.
Post 42 made on Monday January 20, 2020 at 17:17
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On January 20, 2020 at 10:53, Curt said...
The short story is they cause a lot of co-channel interference and have a very high noise floor.

The longer version is they don't play well with others, at least none of the ones I've seen have. On 2.4 GHz they use channels outside of the standard 1, 6 and 11 (in the US) and are configured for 40 MHz wide bandwidth, neither of which should ever happen. 5GHz behavior is a little more acceptable because there are more non-overlapping channels available, but they tend to migrate to the busiest channels (UNII-1, UNII-3) instead of going to less-occupied spectrum (UNII-2, UNII-2e). They are taking advantage of the new B regulations allowing higher Tx, but I question if they're actually following regulations.

I joke that you should get EERO if you hate your neighbors. I can't imagine how bad performance would be if several of these were operating in close proximity.

Damn! Thanks for the insight, our deployments have been in low density areas but I wonder if powers-that-be may at some point, have them throttle the Tx power. That would cripple our deployments. Thanks again Curt!
Post 43 made on Tuesday January 28, 2020 at 20:38
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On January 20, 2020 at 10:53, Curt said...
The short story is they cause a lot of co-channel interference and have a very high noise floor.

The longer version is they don't play well with others, at least none of the ones I've seen have. On 2.4 GHz they use channels outside of the standard 1, 6 and 11 (in the US) and are configured for 40 MHz wide bandwidth, neither of which should ever happen. 5GHz behavior is a little more acceptable because there are more non-overlapping channels available, but they tend to migrate to the busiest channels (UNII-1, UNII-3) instead of going to less-occupied spectrum (UNII-2, UNII-2e). They are taking advantage of the new B regulations allowing higher Tx, but I question if they're actually following regulations.

That's like, 1 post a year. What's your story? You must feel pretty strongly about this. Thanks for helping!
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Post 44 made on Tuesday January 28, 2020 at 22:42
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On January 20, 2020 at 10:53, Curt said...
The short story is they cause a lot of co-channel interference and have a very high noise floor.

The longer version is they don't play well with others, at least none of the ones I've seen have. On 2.4 GHz they use channels outside of the standard 1, 6 and 11 (in the US) and are configured for 40 MHz wide bandwidth, neither of which should ever happen. 5GHz behavior is a little more acceptable because there are more non-overlapping channels available, but they tend to migrate to the busiest channels (UNII-1, UNII-3) instead of going to less-occupied spectrum (UNII-2, UNII-2e). They are taking advantage of the new B regulations allowing higher Tx, but I question if they're actually following regulations.

I joke that you should get EERO if you hate your neighbors. I can't imagine how bad performance would be if several of these were operating in close proximity.

Thank you for the very insightful post. It’s nice when professionals respond with very useful info
Post 45 made on Sunday February 2, 2020 at 09:04
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On January 28, 2020 at 20:38, Neurorad said...
That's like, 1 post a year. What's your story? You must feel pretty strongly about this. Thanks for helping!

I don't get here very often and most of the time my questions have already been answered. I'm a Network Engineer who specializes in RF design and work in a corporate environment. I used to do residential network installs as a 3rd party contractor, but I stopped doing it a few years ago. I still do occasional predictive and post-install wireless surveys for large properties and some consultant work. Since I'm not a pro installer, I don't think I should participate in too many conversations, but wireless is my passion.
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