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Time for Wifi replacement- suggestions please
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Post 16 made on Tuesday December 31, 2019 at 15:32
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On December 31, 2019 at 11:41, ShaferCustoms said...
Why do you need a separate SSID?

Add another node/eero as a new network?

I wish they had an Outdoor unit!

WiFi based remotes go on their own ssid, and sometimes some other system specific devices. Client calls up my nightly news said that they have to change their network login cause the Russians are spying on them, I don't have to roll a truck or talk them through reconnecting 9 remotes in their house.
Post 17 made on Tuesday December 31, 2019 at 18:07
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Eero here - I have 31 wireless devices among 3 units and they always work perfect.
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Post 18 made on Wednesday January 1, 2020 at 18:14
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Have 1 client with eero a prior installer did. 3 of them in the home. Roaming on it sucks. Handoff is not good. They get stuck not handing off or sometimes it will completely drop wifi versus handing off. And sometimes it works fine. Personally I would like to throw them all in a trash and do a real network with a hardwired backbone between access points.

I am kind of surprised all the "pros" on here recommending Eero. I'd roll out ubiquiti or ruckus in a second (with a hardwired backbone between access points) over rolling out eero in any situation that a wired backbone was practical.

Also eero doesn't even have a web gui. No adjustments for radio power to help with roaming and handoff. And about 35 other limitations I can rip off the top of my head.

These things are hardly professional network hardware.

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Post 19 made on Wednesday January 1, 2020 at 22:17
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On January 1, 2020 at 18:14, gerard143 said...
Have 1 client with eero a prior installer did. 3 of them in the home. Roaming on it sucks. Handoff is not good. They get stuck not handing off or sometimes it will completely drop wifi versus handing off. And sometimes it works fine. Personally I would like to throw them all in a trash and do a real network with a hardwired backbone between access points.

I am kind of surprised all the "pros" on here recommending Eero. I'd roll out ubiquiti or ruckus in a second (with a hardwired backbone between access points) over rolling out eero in any situation that a wired backbone was practical.

Also eero doesn't even have a web gui. No adjustments for radio power to help with roaming and handoff. And about 35 other limitations I can rip off the top of my head.

These things are hardly professional network hardware.

So dozens of guys here and other forums have had no issues with Eero, roaming included, and the one system you've experienced is a good indicator of how Eero works? What gen Eero? How is the placement? What firmware? I've got Eero in houses where Luxul and UBNT had issues with handoff and roaming, throughput issues and range issues due to inability to get wiring where we needed for extra APs due to house construction. Eero fixed all of those issues.

Last edited by goldenzrule on January 2, 2020 11:48.
Post 20 made on Wednesday January 1, 2020 at 23:15
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On January 1, 2020 at 18:14, gerard143 said...
Have 1 client with eero a prior installer did. 3 of them in the home. Roaming on it sucks. Handoff is not good. They get stuck not handing off or sometimes it will completely drop wifi versus handing off. And sometimes it works fine. Personally I would like to throw them all in a trash and do a real network with a hardwired backbone between access points.

I am kind of surprised all the "pros" on here recommending Eero. I'd roll out ubiquiti or ruckus in a second (with a hardwired backbone between access points) over rolling out eero in any situation that a wired backbone was practical.

Also eero doesn't even have a web gui. No adjustments for radio power to help with roaming and handoff. And about 35 other limitations I can rip off the top of my head.

These things are hardly professional network hardware.

What do you mean "problems with handoff"? What devices are having a problem? Give an example scenario.

We are using EERO for a couple of small (8-10 zones) crestron system that uses iPads for control. Clients have ipads iphones laptops alexa streaming boxes etc. Typical $1mil-$5mil home with low 6 figure AV systems. We have zero issues with them. The "hand over" and lack of real management tools is a pain but...setup is idiot proof and painless so for small systems or just average joa wifi its a miracle product imo.
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Post 21 made on Wednesday January 1, 2020 at 23:17
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I purchased an EERO pro to try out at my house because of this therapy. I had a poorly position Pakedge WX-1 and I took it out for the Pro and placed that in an even worse area for coverage. I have better speeds and coverage with the EERO. Significantly better. I’m honestly very impressed! Not many settings to play around with, but it just works well.
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Post 22 made on Thursday January 2, 2020 at 08:36
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On January 1, 2020 at 18:14, gerard143 said...
Have 1 client with eero a prior installer did. 3 of them in the home. Roaming on it sucks. Handoff is not good. They get stuck not handing off or sometimes it will completely drop wifi versus handing off. And sometimes it works fine. Personally I would like to throw them all in a trash and do a real network with a hardwired backbone between access points.

Is this with Apple devices, or other brands? Apple hand helds don't roam well and we all know it.

I am kind of surprised all the "pros" on here recommending Eero. I'd roll out ubiquiti or ruckus in a second (with a hardwired backbone between access points) over rolling out eero in any situation that a wired backbone was practical.

Tired of banging my head against the wall with other brands and the EERO deliver faster WiFi in every case, so far. Also, they have an app that works and none of the other systems do/did, so it's much easier to manage.

Also eero doesn't even have a web gui. No adjustments for radio power to help with roaming and handoff. And about 35 other limitations I can rip off the top of my head.

These things are hardly professional network hardware.

Go ahead and list the other limitations.
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Post 23 made on Thursday January 2, 2020 at 11:45
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I like Eero for a lot of applications, but it's definitely not the highest performance option out there. For those wondering, you can connect multiple Eero pro units to Ethernet to create a multi-wap network that uses an ethernet backbone instead of wireless.

But that being said, I did recently go to a project where the homeowner had installed Eero himself. He had 2 Pros and one Beacon (all current generation) to cover a 1500sq ft house and 750 sq ft detached office. He had a gigabit WAN connection but only observed about 30mbps in the detached office, and up to 300 right at the Pro serving as the main router. He didn't realize this until much later after the initial install because the Eero app will tell you internet speeds which he was referencing, but that obviously does not reflect WiFi speeds.

We revamped it with fiber connecting the two buildings and 2 Unifi HD access points, one for each building. Now he can get about 850mbps with a Macbook Pro and better range because the APs are placed more strategically. Thought about Araknis but with the fiber part of it, Ubiquiti was a fraction of the price using their UFiber pieces.
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Post 24 made on Thursday January 2, 2020 at 13:28
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Eero - When there is no CAT infrastructure in place or it would be difficult to do. We now have over 500 in the field. They are absolutely amazing. I think we have had 8-10 fail. Most were DOA and a few died while in the operation.

Ruckus - When wires are in place, new construction, or we can pull wire through a attic or basement easily.
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Post 25 made on Thursday January 2, 2020 at 13:33
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On January 2, 2020 at 11:45, iimig said...
I like Eero for a lot of applications, but it's definitely not the highest performance option out there. For those wondering, you can connect multiple Eero pro units to Ethernet to create a multi-wap network that uses an ethernet backbone instead of wireless.

But that being said, I did recently go to a project where the homeowner had installed Eero himself. He had 2 Pros and one Beacon (all current generation) to cover a 1500sq ft house and 750 sq ft detached office. He had a gigabit WAN connection but only observed about 30mbps in the detached office, and up to 300 right at the Pro serving as the main router. He didn't realize this until much later after the initial install because the Eero app will tell you internet speeds which he was referencing, but that obviously does not reflect WiFi speeds.

I get the possibility of only 30mbps in the detached office. But, the only 300mbps at the pro serving as the main router sounds really odd. I'm assuming this 300 was wifi and not hardwired. The Beacons only pull 350mbps max and I never use them on installs. Pro's only. Wondering if when testing you weren't really connected to the beacon vs the Pro acting as the router. The Pro should provide WiFi speeds up to 1Gbps depending on the Wifi in the devices. I did have an issue once with a Windows PC that was getting much slower speed tests hardwired to the Eero. That issue was with the firewall settings of the PC itself with firewall settings that were set to public vs private network.
Post 26 made on Thursday January 2, 2020 at 16:15
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is the newest eero single router/mesh adaptor good enough to be the main router? If not, what do you guys recommend as enough for the main router? Would you rather do eero pro then add beacons are wireless access points?. I fee like the new devices are more virsitile
Post 27 made on Thursday January 2, 2020 at 17:53
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Overall, I love the eero stuff. It works for 95% of the customers that find me. I've never been a fan of IT so the less I have to do, the better. As long as it works for the client. I wasn't happy to see the Amaz0n news, but it's world we live in.

At the last CEDIA, the trainer guy was not too high on the Beacons and said do the Pro as much as possible. I agree in general, though I have used a few beacons on the outskirts of larger homes where wifi could lag or it's the 5th extra bedroom or what not.
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Post 28 made on Thursday January 2, 2020 at 18:49
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What about the new eero devices? what are your thoughts on that. I thought maybe because they are newer they might have some performance benefits
Post 29 made on Thursday January 2, 2020 at 22:16
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On January 2, 2020 at 18:49, mrtristan said...
What about the new eero devices? what are your thoughts on that. I thought maybe because they are newer they might have some performance benefits

No performance benefits over the pro, (Eero has less radios than pro) just another option to compete with google WiFi and the like.
Use Pros and you will be fine. Only place I use beacons are near a front door for ring/nest doorbells if a boost to WiFi is needed.
Post 30 made on Friday January 3, 2020 at 05:50
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On January 2, 2020 at 16:15, mrtristan said...
is the newest eero single router/mesh adaptor good enough to be the main router? If not, what do you guys recommend as enough for the main router? Would you rather do eero pro then add beacons are wireless access points?. I fee like the new devices are more virsitile

The EERO Pro is designed to be a main router, but it will work if the network has a modem/router. The Pro provides stronger WiFi signal and with the second port, a switch or other device can be connected. The Pro should be wired if possible, but since they work as a mesh network, they definitely work wirelessly.

If a building has cable in place at each end and the middle of the place is wider or the shape is irregular, I would hard wire a Pro at each end and put one or more Beacons in the middle, if needed.
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