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When will spec'ing an 8k TV be worthwhile?
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Post 1 made on Thursday October 17, 2019 at 17:27
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I imagine you who do lots of theaters would say NOW.

What about for guys that do lots of family room/living room TV systems? Especially with the rarity of playing discs. Well, how about the rarity of anything besides Comcast and streaming Netflix and Amazon over the Comcast box? No Roku.

I'm afraid that if the TV gets too awesome it will look like playing a VCR on a flat screen. Is there any value at all in an 8k set for ordinary TV watching?
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Post 2 made on Thursday October 17, 2019 at 18:31
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I’d say that your better off selling the best 4K tv you have available.
Personally i think that the Sony Master series OLED are amazing
Post 3 made on Thursday October 17, 2019 at 19:17
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I'm not sure why it would matter in a theater.... there's 8k content or there's not.

We dont even have much real 4k content yet.

3-5 years before it becomes a necessary thing. 6-8 before its mainstream.
Post 4 made on Thursday October 17, 2019 at 22:25
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As soon as you have clients willing to pay for them. Then sell them like hotcakes.
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Post 5 made on Friday October 18, 2019 at 00:02
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The thing to remember, especially with large screens(75" & beyond) is the 8k is quadruple the resolution of 4k. So even 4k content will look much better viewed on a large 8k display, and that is the main selling point of an 8K display today.

The argument being, do we really want certain "films" to look like a digital video game on the 120" projector screen?
Post 6 made on Friday October 18, 2019 at 09:59
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As long as there is good video processing in the mix, there is no downside to selling a display with a higher physical resolution.
Post 7 made on Friday October 18, 2019 at 11:22
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Check out this, from near the 2:20 mark at .
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Post 8 made on Friday October 18, 2019 at 12:50
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On October 18, 2019 at 00:02, cwtech said...
The thing to remember, especially with large screens(75" & beyond) is the 8k is quadruple the resolution of 4k. So even 4k content will look much better viewed on a large 8k display, and that is the main selling point of an 8K display today.

The argument being, do we really want certain "films" to look like a digital video game on the 120" projector screen?

Only if its got the video processing to back it up.
Post 9 made on Friday October 18, 2019 at 17:24
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On October 18, 2019 at 12:50, Impaqt said...
Only if its got the video processing to back it up.

I guess I should of said that we only spec Sony XBR, so that is a given!
Post 10 made on Friday October 18, 2019 at 20:07
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To bad the big dish went the way of the dodo bird, so many dishes trashed, I picked up so many free and reinstalled them for our customers. If it was still as strong as it was 30 years ago 4k and 8k would be no problem.

I get lots of 4k HD feeds on my big dish, pic is excellent, so me with a BUD I'm ready for 8k. Compression tech keeps getting better, my current 4k receiver is h265 dvb-S2X. I know NHK in Japan has been testing 8k via satellite distribution for a while, and I know SES did using some older compression tech. [Link: ses.com]

But for normal people, the only way will be high speed internet and places like netflix. Will the future 8k sets still have the same shape or will them mimic the cinema type screens?

I will not get one for myself till I hear about some regular sporting events and stuff going up in 8k, then I will get what I need to tune them in, even if it's another PCI based satellite tuner card. I'm ready for 8k!

Hard to say if I'll push them anytime soon, unless customer is asking, or after a generation or two come out from the big boys so issues get ironed out.
Post 11 made on Saturday October 19, 2019 at 01:04
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On October 18, 2019 at 20:07, rpssat said...
I get lots of 4k HD feeds on my big dish, pic is excellent, so me with a BUD I'm ready for 8k. Compression tech keeps getting better, my current 4k receiver is h265 dvb-S2X.

???
What are you using for a tuning receiver? I am not familiar with any tech for the big dishes after the DSR922 4DTV decades ago. And IMO that receiver was a POS.

I had a Toshiba TRX-2220 back in the 90's (arguably one of the best analog C/Ku band receivers ever). The picture quality on that was stunning. Ahhh, the days of S-video lol.
I only ever got to work on a handful of C/Ku band systems. My partner at the time was the big dish expert. He did 100's of them during the 80's/90's.
Post 12 made on Saturday October 19, 2019 at 03:20
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There are still lots of linear C band and ku band feeds in HD and UHD. Many IRD manufacturers including harmonic, cisco, ericsson, sencore, etc. A low cost IRD option is upcom, which works quite well considering the cost.

Don't expect any regular sporting events in 8k, let alone 4k any time soon. Most events hyped as 4k are almost all 1080p upconverted.

I was involved with a major uhd sporting event, and that was a very rare exception and was OTT (amazon). It was true UHD. Live UHD is still very difficult. I don't see it happening with traditional broadcast networks any time soon and certainly not 8k.
Post 13 made on Saturday October 19, 2019 at 13:32
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On October 19, 2019 at 01:04, Brad Humphrey said...
???
What are you using for a tuning receiver? I am not familiar with any tech for the big dishes after the DSR922 4DTV decades ago. And IMO that receiver was a POS.

I had a Toshiba TRX-2220 back in the 90's (arguably one of the best analog C/Ku band receivers ever). The picture quality on that was stunning. Ahhh, the days of S-video lol.
I only ever got to work on a handful of C/Ku band systems. My partner at the time was the big dish expert. He did 100's of them during the 80's/90's.

I have a few satellite PCI cards but I am manly using my Edision Mio 4k receiver right now. Using a few images but the North American project is more user friendly for us on this part of the world. I use the Titanium satellite ASC1 as a dish positioner I have both c/ku-band on my dish with commercial grade lnb's.
Post 14 made on Saturday October 19, 2019 at 19:40
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On October 18, 2019 at 17:24, cwtech said...
I guess I should of said that we only spec Sony XBR, so that is a given!

I'm a huge fan of Sony, but even their 8k needs work.
Post 15 made on Sunday October 20, 2019 at 02:39
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5 years at a minimum.
Better have that conduit to feed fiber thru it when content and streaming boxes become available.


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