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Safely Bring Wire Bundle Into Rolling Rack - How?
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Post 16 made on Tuesday March 27, 2018 at 13:11
Ernie Gilman
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SWFL Mike, that's a great description, easy to envision.

On March 26, 2018 at 18:54, Mac Burks (39) said...
I just sketched out what i need and emailed it to my mom to see if she can make it for me.

This is about the nicest, homiest touch I've ever seen here on rc. Rock on, Mac!


On March 27, 2018 at 06:52, crosen said...
This is slightly off topic, but you're going to be hamstrung by the length of the existing cables.

This is absolutely not off topic! I was going to bring this up but you beat me to it.

SB Smarthomes' photos brought up the question to me: Are the existing cable lengths going to force you to run the cables in less than optimal ways? Are you going to somehow extend some cables?

I know I'm very much in the minority, but I consider it a best practice to land all structured wiring - except category cable intended for HDMI distribution - on wall mounted patch panels.

I think maybe you omitted how you handle HDMI signals. What you describe isn't optimal for that. You're telling us one of two things: that you want to run HDMI balun signals through splices, which is recommended against, or that you're putting the baluns on the wall and then running longer HDMI cables than would otherwise be needed from the wall to the rack to the components.
That way, you spare stressing the structured wires (which you cannot readily replace), can make the patch cables running to the rack any length you need, and can swap patch cables as needed when you change the rack layout.

These are all good things if the installation method itself doesn't mess with system performance. It could be sort of a "the operation was a success but the patient died" kind of situation.
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Post 17 made on Tuesday March 27, 2018 at 13:32
iform
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Nice work, Paul
OP | Post 18 made on Tuesday March 27, 2018 at 21:25
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This is what i have done the few times i did rolling racks. I don't like the cable being moved/twisted. After visiting the same projects for 20 years i see cables getting damaged from the racks being moved...and not just by us. If it were just technicians moving it i wouldn't worry as much because most of us are smart enough to be careful.



I was hoping to find something that would better secure the bundle but i guess its just not possible. I'm having a black canvas sleeves made with a neoprene layer. Im going to keep the bundles coming in around 15 cables each. Hopefully this helps.

These racks are fantastic and probably the only ones i like that move.

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OP | Post 19 made on Tuesday March 27, 2018 at 21:36
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On March 27, 2018 at 06:52, crosen said...
This is slightly off topic, but you're going to be hamstrung by the length of the existing cables.

I know I'm very much in the minority, but I consider it a best practice to land all structured wiring - except category cable intended for HDMI distribution - on wall mounted patch panels.

We did this when we used slide out racks.

That way, you spare stressing the structured wires (which you cannot readily replace), can make the patch cables running to the rack any length you need, and can swap patch cables as needed when you change the rack layout.

About ten years ago i led an uprising against racks that move. I burned villages and slaughtered...not really...i just whined a lot until we stopped using moving racks.

This was the last time i had to deal with a rolling rack (another replacement system project). Speaker cables came out of the middle of the wall. Everything else came out near the top of the wall. I brought each bundle directly across and attached them to the inside rail of the rack.



This control room closet had another storage closet directly behind it. They could have made it one large room or had another door or removable panel for easy rear access. I have another project thats a total nightmare...it also has another closet directly behind it.
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Post 20 made on Wednesday March 28, 2018 at 10:40
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On March 27, 2018 at 13:11, Ernie Gilman said...


I think maybe you omitted how you handle HDMI signals. What you describe isn't optimal for that. You're telling us one of two things: that you want to run HDMI balun signals through splices, which is recommended against, or that you're putting the baluns on the wall and then running longer HDMI cables than would otherwise be needed from the wall to the rack to the components.

He stated that for category cable used for HDMI, he does not terminate those to the wall and thus those are brought into the rack.

As far as running HDMI HD-BaseT through keystones. I have done that several times using shielded cable with shielded keystones with no issues. Or a shielded keystone at the panel and shielded connector to plug into HD-BaseT received at display.

Having to deal with longs runs of category cable, for a future HDMI use, is many times problematic.
Post 21 made on Wednesday March 28, 2018 at 13:39
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We only do DWR or fixed racks on the floor. Rolling racks never again. We cut the casters off RCS racks and throw them on a wood platform.
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