Since this has obviously turned in to some sort of totally non-sensible religious battle....

I thought that devout Christians, and those of many other faiths all went by the same book...

Doesn't the Good Book most of us use say in it somewhere "An Eye for an Eye?"

If so, then in some profound way, aren't we over there carrying out God's Will in an effort to avenge the murder of 3000 of our own, even if we should maybe have gone a more circuitous route (like through Afghanistan first)...

Also if so, then aren't we ALSO helping to avenge the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents on foreign turf, by dishing out their justices for them because they weren't allowed or able to have the capacity to do so.

Or did all those people in the 40's, and in that mass grave a couple months ago just give up and jump in on their own?

LOL. That has to be one of the most naive and wacky posts I have read on this subject. In this case naive is a euphimism for ignorant. Ignorant to the entire political mechanism of how troops ended up in that quagmire they used to call Iraq

hey tekno...

look up the definitions of rhetoric and sarcasm please...

LOL right back at ya...

don't see that, only one guy is posting on the religious side and to be honest his post was too long, hard to read and boring that I gave up on it
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don't know if your post was meant to be facetious or not, but assuming it was honest and that by "us" you include yourself then I definitely think you should go back and read it :-)

1) that quote (assuming from the old testament, and I will explain why that is important latter) was meant for the judge, and not as a general rule. What it said (in simple terms) was that the punishment must meet the crime, ie if someone was found guilty of taking my eye the judge should take that persons eye. It definitely was not meant for every Joe out there and definitely not meant as a global policy. On the other hand even if you take it as revenge is allowed and good then please explain me what did all those Iraqi people that dies thanks to this war do to you?

2) On the other hand using " An eye for an eye" your way doesn't it mean that they should now be asking retribution for their deaths? Doesn't this just escalate stuff. (I kill one of your friends now you kill one of mine and so on?)

3) If you want to quote the bible isn't what Mathew wrote more important


4) how about the Our Father or the Lord's prayer? didn't Jesus say that God knows our needs and wants and that all we should do is ask him to

doesn't that mean that we should be as lenient as we want God to be. This is not about making God in our image, but for us to show divine compassion to our fellow men

5) Doesn't also say

6) even if you want to stay in the testament, God did not say to Moses kill all their first born males, but did it himself. If you do believe in God and you think he is all powerful, and he did ant to avenge those deaths and atrocities on earth do you not think he could have done it? do you think he needed our help?
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I will admit I don't know God's will, I am just a man, but every time I hear it always scares me, for the simple reason that every other time I have heard someone say that he is doing God's will it is always a nutcase that is committing some atrocity and looking to justify it ( Like Osama and Sadam)

avdude: thought it was not serious, but I had to reply. I just find it funny in a sad way how people can mangle religion to convince themselves they are doing the right thing

Sorry Dude, I rsponded to that post without even considering the poster. I have appreciated your posts on this topic.

Harsh man. I am not a nihilist. I used to be a Nilesist, but now I sell KEF and Triad.


Lucifer

Not, Lucifer, save in your own mind, perhaps.

Just blindly and stupidly ignorent. Or as the Brits would have it, a wanker. Thanks for correcting the spelling mistake.


And to those who thought I was long winded and boring, my apologies.
I did not mean to introduce religion into the discussion save as the reason for trying to bang my head trying to open THON's ossified brain. Mia Culpa Maxima.

Alan

This message was edited by Audible Solutionns on 11/15/04 09:08 ET.

Hey Pinhead, I mean Alan, stick this in your proverbs and smoke it.

IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING - DID YOU KNOW?

1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq.

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon,which was a city in Iraq!

And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

And also... This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!

Thon,Please do some reasearch before posting such nonsense.


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This is the problem. Too many people think whatever comes in the inbox is true!

If you can't trust your inbox who can you trust? Also, now that you read it you have to send it to 13 more people or something bad will happen to you.

studiocats1: I don't think it is faire, without innuendos, rumours,and misinformation Thon would not be able to post in this thread :-)