The attacked New York City, MY city, and I voted for Kerry, along with the majority of my state. We want justice, but we want it dealt where it is deserved.

So don't you ever tell me how to feel, unless you were also sitting on your rooftop watching the smoke firsthand without the aid of a TV.

We haven't been attacked since 9/11 because terrorists are patient. They plan years in advance. And when they strike, there is no warning, no threats, no reason to raise the terror alert, and our guard is down.

The correct course of action would have been to find Osama and take him out, at all costs, and then return home. We have no business "liberating" anyone or anything.

This country will never be united as long as George Bush our president. I want to make sure our grandkids know that when they study their history.

One of my favorite quotes:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."


























































-- Theodore Roosevelt

Actually what I mentioned is simply a matter of public record and anyone can go look it up. The queen of England does not nor does any Jewish community control everything, this is just discriminatory propaganda. Those who do control everything fall under 26 USC 7701(a) “exempt international organizations” or better know as internationalists.

Truth of the matter is bill gates is not the wealthiest man on the planet, he is just the most public. Most internationalists are technically worth trillions, which stems in some cases from family wealth accumulated over 100s of years. We the average are but cogs in a big machine, persuaded to continue our expendable existence, as is, by a fraudulent global media system.


I have a background in Law; all that I have mentioned is a mater of public record. So you can go read it for yourself. Although that may not be possible in a few years as they are rapidly removing such things from public access or simply inserting the word omitted


Do with your life as you see fit, but know this, things are going to get worse over the next couple of decades, a lot worse and there is very little you can do about it.

and those internationalist are aliens that landed here 235 years ago

deb1919: nicely said

pilgram: I think there are many reasons to vote for any one,I will even add may rational and legit (thought through) reasons to vote for anyone. And I also think there are intelligent people who looked all the stuff these guys said and voted one way or the other. On the other hand I think there are many dumb people who did not think at all and voted one way or the other for dumb reasons without any thought.

AMEM BROTHA!

And we would have been singing "we are the world" if John Kerry was elected? PLEEEEEEASE!

You people can't even unite and denounce the jerks on this board who flame unsuspecting people who come on this board and ask for help, let alone unite politically!

This message was edited by Cablebusters on 11/11/04 08:43 ET.

Sorry, to dredge this one up, but I had to take a break to do some actual work. You all have compelling arguments and I guess we will never know for certain what would have happened had we not gone into Iraq. What I don't understand, still, is why most of you are still trying to put this on Bush. I had asked Q what Bush's motivation was to go into Iraq, and he simply said it had been planned pre 9/11. Well...maybe so, but it doesn't answer the question. If you guys could provide any detailed evidence of Bush or Cheny personally benefitting from war with Iraq I would drop them like a hot soldering iron. If Bush's motive was strictly revenge then why so much support from both parties?


Georg Bush did not INVENT this concept. Congress, in the days after 9/11 decided that to wage war on terrorists it was necessary to not only go after terrorists, but anyone who harbored terrorists. Much like being and accessory to murder. It was the most expedient way of exposing the ACTUAL terrorists.


Including John Kerry, John Edwards, the Clintons, etc. Once again, protest the war all you want, just be fair and blame everyone that voted for it.


I have some doubt, but you may be right. I was actually behind most of Clinton's military actions (which were probably more numerous than most of you would realize) however he seemed to just pay lip service to most conflicts, dropping a few bombs here a few missiles there. If this isn't "poking the bear", I don't know what is.

And many more liberals that supported it. Be fair and balanced here, Q, quantify your allegations.


We actually were at war with the Soviets. It was known as the cold war. We won without fighting because we had a superior military under Reagan. Weird concept, huh? Big military, no fighting......



Maybe, but once again you're playing Monday morning quarterback. Everyone who dealt with the problem before all these "facts" came out believed there was a threat, and apparently the American people want to see George Bush finish the job. Relax, give war a chance.

I am not a procuct of Colorado public schools, so don't blame them. I did, in fact, graduate from the American School in Tehran, Iran. I have been to Baghdad, Beirut, Afghanistan, and a lot of other places you've never heard of. I have some idea of what I'm talking about. Also, before you start impugning someone's education, you might want to put down your thesaurus and proof read your own post. I guess I can't blame you, however, it's probably as mindless to you as it is to me.








This is a particularly intriguing sentence, you seem to be saying he needs to change his policies or hope that he was actually right in the first place. What, specifically, do you disagree with?




Destroy the middle class? How does this work? And what are the consequences?




Can one of you guys translate? I don't speak gibberish.


P.S. I am a joy to work with......and for. I AM your jobs creator and major supporter of the middle class. Show me some f**king respect.

Agreed, but being against the war in Iraq is not a criticism of Bush.

I stated that many conservatives opposed the war. There is nothing unfair or unbalanced about that statement. If you choose to point out that many liberals supported the war, that is an accurate statement too and is neither unfair or unbanced.

But just to be clear, since you've pointed out about 100 times that many liberals supported the war too, I don't give a rats ass. Believe it or not, even if the Rastafarian's supported the war, I'll continue to argue against it. But you should be ashamed, because I've got the Dixie Chicks on my side and who can argue with that?

But since we bumped this thread up again how about addressing my question. Since the Soviet Union comprised an infinitely larger threat to us, why didn't we go to war with them to "protect" ourselves. Was it only because we were afraid of mutual mass destruction? Using 20/20 hindsight, shouldn't we have done it before they got the nuclear bomb to, to "protect" ourselves.

p.s. I gurantee you that far better than 50% of the rest of the world opposed the war, but that doesn't prove anything either. I think I've got the Pope on my side too ;-).

Yeah, it is hard to argue with the Dixie Chicks. I thought I did answer your question about the Soviet Union, it was a different war than we are facing now. The cold war was all threats and intimidation and we were able to win without combat. I only keep bringing up liberal support of the Iraq war, because so many people (including, I think, you) want to tie this to Bush alone. I am not a thrilled with being at war with Iraq, but I do think it will go a long way to stabilizing the middle east. I could most definitely be wrong, but unfortunately we can't get a mulligan on this one. What could have happened, did.

As I stated in an earlier post, my religion teaches that one has an obligation to teach even those who lack the capicity to understand. To that end, here goes:

"At this point we are stuck with this President and his administration. Like others, I can only pray that he either changes the foolish economic policies of his past administration or that they finally kick in and the economy imporves---at least until Mr. Peterson's money supply crash landing occurs.

[(Translation for those without the capacity to understand:) I think the economic policies the Bush administration put forth these past four years a disaster. However, they have argued that their policies have seemed so abysmal only becasuse they were
1. saddeled with a sagging economy upon taking office
2. economic effects of 9/11

It is possible - although unlikely for anyone who earns a pay check or owns a small business - that these policies which have heretofore failed will cause an economic recovery. Only a mind as dimly lit as yours could have difficulty with the concept that while I note his policies have yet to work, that I doubt they ever will work, it is in my interest and all of our interests for them to work and I hope they will indeed work.

I earlier posted Mr. Peter Peterson's book and suggested reading it. You might then understand what he suggests may happen if nothing is done about are failure to save and constant reliance on foreign moneies to pay for our debt. You do still remember what a book is? ]

" Even the worst sinner can see the error of his ways and repent. So I do have hope for some one as intellectually challanged as your buddy THON but I doubt he will ever put in the work that a mind needs if it is to expand--but I do believe it is possible for characterlocial change only that it is unusual."

[ Even those who are learning impaired can make up in effort what they lack in abilities. One can learn to read or, better yet, use the skill, While it is unusual, even after years of intensive Psycoanalysis, for such dramatic characterlogical transformations to occur it occurs rarely and only in an extreame minority of cases. However, while I doubt you have the will power to put in the effort for such a herculean task, I do accept the possibility of miracles]



"Am I hopeful? Have I a choice at this point? My religion teaches that even he who lacks the capacity to reason should still receive instruction so I shall continue to try to shine light where darkness or dusk exist. Until the OEX's of the world can see that the policies of the Party they support are inimical to their interests there is little hope that the sea of red in the middle and southern regions of this nation will change."

[(Translation for those with diminished capicities:) Evangelical Christians will remain beyond the pale. Nilists like yourself will always chose death and destruction and ignorance over enlightenment. That leaves those who have been called Regan Democrats. These are Blue color or working, middle class voters who feel that the values of the Democratic Party are out of touch with their values. Many of these people are slightly conserative. They are mildly economically conservative but socially libertarian. They do believe in economic fairness and are usually, unlike evangelicals, content to allow each person to live according to his moral code. While they may not like abortion they would not like to see it made illegal. They do not consider homosexuality a sin and would not deny a homesexual basic human rights, such as the right of one partner to visit the other if hospitalized. Or to put it an other way, perhaps in a way you can understand, these are people with the capacity to think and are not filled with hatred or so content with their own ignorance that they cannot look at their reality and conceive of it as different. These individuals can be reasoned with and they can come to see that the policies of the party they currently support are inimical to their own self-interest. Those, like OEX, can be convinced that their values and beliefs are not be served well by the Republican party. They have minds that repond rationally to evidence and reason. ]


" And THON is a nilihist so supporting life or anything life affirming is beyond his perview. Can you believe a mind so closed that it cannot embrace the scientific method. There are some who cannot be reached and I do not believe in miracles. He must be a joy to work with "

[ You have embraced death and war as an end in itself thorughout this thread. You are also the same genius that has criticized me for writing that tube amps produce seductive sounds. And when invited to test your belief empiricly you deline. To rely on theory and renouce testing that theory is to deny the scientific method. While we can dispense with the double blind nonesense you can find a place somewhere in Denver to listen to a tube amp and see if ideed, counter to your theoretical assumptions, it does not make seductive sounds. But that would require a major evolutionary step on your part. It would force you to confront your a priori assumptions and test them in the market place for ideas. ]

I repeat: what a joy it must be to work for a mind so closed and full of itself it cannot conceive of someone who has actually benefited from what ever time he spent in a class room and does not need to resort to a thesaurus.

And with respect to gibberish:

" I AM your jobs creator and major supporter of the middle class. Show me some f**king respect."

I understand the F- word and the AM indicates that you wish to shout ( as if speaking loudly takes the place of rational thought or cogent argument supported by facts ) but could you shed some light on rest of this sentence? Or might you have meant " I am Beelzebub and I demand respect......" Judging by what you have written the only respect you have earned is flushed down the toilet each morning. Perhpas this is clear enough for you?

Alan

This message was edited by Audible Solutionns on 11/13/04 21:40 ET.

That was the MOST painful thing I have ever read!!! Audible soultionns did you clean up your bible after you got done J'ing off on it??? Give us all a break and speak from your mind and heart not your story book!!! I now understand why the bible belt was solid red.