See below post...forgot to include quote.

Lol
You DO have a sense of humor

When I was in college, many years ago I was a pre-med major and studied genetics. One thing to keep in mind is a genetic mutation to improve survivability does not have to be a major change, such as a third arm, but it can be very minor, such as a nerve ending on the tip of your nose to prevent sneezing. If that nerve ending prevented a hunter from sneezing and scaring away prey or being eaten by a predator it was an genetic advantage over another person that did not have that gene.

As humans formed civilizations and created religions, those societies and religions made laws that helped sustain the societies. Population growth is beneficial to a society. The more people to defend a society the more likely it would be able to survive a conflict with a neighboring country. It is only logical that those developing societies would make laws against behavior that did not contribute to the survivability of the society. Since homosexuals do not procreate then they did not contribute to the growth of population of the society.

Most religions say that committing suicide is a sin. This is because if an individual commits suicide then they are no longer able to aid in the growth of the society.

At this time I would like all to know that my feelings to race and gays have changed as I grew older. I grew up a WASP. As I have been been exposed to people of all races and sexual orientations I have gained more and more respect for all the people that make up our world.

David ....that is

You REALLY don't see how that is different.

Donating AGAINST gay marriage = fighting FOR INEQUALITY

Donating FOR gay marriage = fighting for EQUALITY

In a country based on Freedom and equality, fighting to protect and create equality is very different. I know you think this isn't a race issue, which it isn't, but comparing to past race issues is VERY similar.

We have religious freedom, its  basis of what America was founded on. Religious views should not effect the laws the prevent equality among American Citizens. If they do, then we don't have Freedom of Religion because laws based on religion are FORCING that religious view on EVERY American Citizen.

I'm not asking you to change your mind or view, but my religion supports marriage as a unity between two people that love and are committed to each other. STOP robbing me of my religious freedom.

LOL that is a good one David. Can not win the argument, so you delete your part of it and then call on the powers at be to silence it....only way you can win....You and Obama must be having a beer summit right about now to discuss some more tactics.

sofa,

Why do you keep blaming me on this....all I did was ask people to read Matt Walsh's blog and comment.

I still wonder why the man should lose his job over his beliefs. Hannity today posed the question about reversing the side.

What if it were reversed?

Not me.....

I only posted it.

Really.....even though I agree with him....I do not care which side he donated money to.............I really don't..............I only pose the question: why should anyone lose his or her job for his or her beliefs?

If it were from the left or right of any issue, it will eventually split the country,

liberal or conservative....with some independents scattered here and there.

If EVERYONE is judged by what they believe......you or I will choose a side and only do business with people or companies that agree with us.....nothing for the other side............

I just wanted a healthy debate to discuss the issue of radicals protesting against something that they do not believe in and eventually forcing people out of their job.

As I asked FP last night......If it were you and your company......and say you liked to eat strawberries with whipped cream....and the blueberry faction got pissed off because they thought that you should only eat blueberries....and demanded that you resign from your company or you would be protested and boycotted and drug through the mud until you resigned....

How would you feel about it then?

I understand the plight of the oppressed....my fight is abandoned frozen embryos......that is where my heart is....and I am trying to do something about it.

I AM NOT trying to get all of the doctors that do IVF and create these children fired though......see the difference?

You said Hannity is making a good point: what if Eich worked at a company and he was ran out for supporting gay rights.

I said then we'd shame the company then asked what was the point? 

If you need to be dismissive with a bonus insult when challenged to explain yourself it looks like nothing more than a childish insult to cover for the fact that you're completely incapable of explaining yourself.

'If I have to explain myself' = I can't explain myself so I'll just fake it till I make it.
 

Then we'd be shaming the company. Boom, your argument is invalid.

Go get me a beer.
 

I'm single and to be honest with you all, you married people or gay and lesbians wanting to be married just all need to go away!!!!

I'm sick and tired of listening to your sh!t.... Waaa Waaa, you bunch of spoiled worthless babies!!! You married people, you gay and lesbians who want the right to be married so you can behave just like your straight counter parts....my God...you make me sick!!!!

Shut the f@ck up!!! Do you hear us single people complaining about our plight in life???

How many single groups have you ever heard of asking for rights for singles. Single people need more tax breaks, single people need more rights...blaw blaw blaw...

Sick of it....everyone thinking their f@cking entitled to something....

So I changed my mind, I've posted in this thread on the behalf of all the single people out there...tired of listening to you overly dependent saps bitch about relationships.


Here's giving you the middle finger :)-

Big Papa.......please read the response to sofa

if it is as you say....then people will want to know what your beliefs are BEFORE they do business with you....and if they do not agree....the you lose....

if they agree with your beliefs...then they WILL do business with you

Simple..........

but I still pose the question: What difference does it make?

I said....I do NOT care where he donated....for or against

But why must he lose his job for his beliefs?....regardless of what they are

Can you answer that?

Or do you just want to call me names and try to put me in one of your categories and try and get me to go fetch you a beer.

You're actually putting yourself in a category. 

You wont answer huh?

+10000000000000000 well said man!

Why is it we gotta get shit rammed down our throats, I like driving a v8 sports car yet the left and environmental tree hugging hippies got the left government to start dictating what the manufacturers have to adhere to or face huge fines...I want to drive a v8 sports car not a 4 banger that gets maybe 15% better mpg

Go be gay, but don't force your ideas and ideologues down my throat, you deserve to love each other just as I deserve to love a women..but if some one disagrees don't burn them at the stake and publicly make them resign for their their beliefs.

If you want to believe in Scientology or Muslim or tree huggers united then that is your right, but don't protest to the point where everything has to change to fit your beliefs ie evolution being taught in schools.

Let's all be realistic here, he did not resign on his own. At All. Mozilla said resign or we publically fire you in that meeting. If you deny that didn't happen you really are stupid. Mozilla is a business and the public made him public enemy number one...public enemy number one as your CEO is bad for business...we would have done the same things and gave who ever the same ultimadem if we hired someone to run our companies that became public enemy number one .

America has become nothing more then a bunch of entitled whinny bitches.

I didn't know you were asking me a question. And then again, I'm not sure you'd understand. Or you might just yell 'Get off my lawn you librul!' and throw a beer bottle at me.

But here it goes.

You're making faulty argument on a couple of points.

Eich did not lose his job merely for 'having an opinion:' he resigned under pressure from the Board for two reasons:

1. He donated $1000 to the Prop 8 campaign, and many people were offended, especially gay and straight people that worked at Mozilla. He wasn't the janitor or a back room coder, he was the CEO, as in Chief Executive Officer, the public face of the company.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what a distraction that would be.

2. The Board wanted to move in mobile market direction and Eich is not from the mobile market world. Even before the Prop 8 donation came to light there was consternation between board members about this fact. The Prop 8 donation threw a giant bucket of gas on this smoldering fire.

I think for all intents and purposes point 2 is moot. But it had a huge part in his resignation.

Your argument is faulty for two reasons:

1. It is disconnected logic that Eich was pressured because 'he had an opinion.' Merely having an opinion isn't an issue, as I explained before. It's the opinion that he had that was the problem: he supported a Proposition that denied gays to be treated as equal citizens and allowed to marry just as straights do.

You, or anybody making this same argument (most of AM radio) cannot escape that his opinion, the opinion that is front and center the problem, is that gays are to be legislated as second class citizens and denied the right to legally marry. This is oppression and undeniable, pure and simple.

So saying 'having an opinion' is an intellectually dishonest disconnect completely ignoring what the opinion is in the first place. Gays have an opinion, and so do straights who think it's an Fing travesty that we're even discussing this in first place.

And somehow it appears you and many others hold all our opinions, Eich vs gays, as equally valid. Imagine being a gay person working at Mozilla... I doubt you have.

2. The second fault in this argument being presented is the slippery slope fallacy. As if Eich losing his job portends an oppressive future where bigots have to fear that sharing their opinions may cause them to lose a job. Or the blueberry faction oppresses the strawberry faction. What about people who think chihuahua's are the best toy dog and oppress the Bichon Frise lovers?

If this sounds overwrought and silly, it's because it is. Very silly. I'm dying to know, who's next? Will Nugent lose his job? Duck Douche almost did... who's next?

I'm dying to know, who's next on this slippery slope of Overwrought Oppression before the FEMA death camps are opened up for re-education? Pray tell.

If you are too distracted to understand not only who lost a job or didn't get one by why they lost the job or didn't get one, you're too far gone with the Dogma Virus or just dense. But the ultimate irony is the victimization of these people who 'just expressed opinions' with no real consideration of their specific opinions: opinions which evoke hatred or bigotry that actually promote victimization of another class, whose opinions are never considered.

That's a special kind of .... logic.