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Post 16 made on Friday April 16, 2004 at 12:02
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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On 04/14/04 19:28, MikeTech said...
I would relay the message,
however i have such a hard time understanding
this guy when we've spoke that it's just easier
for me to do an upgrade to the original proposal.

Now to continue to be politically incorrect,

I have to assume that since you have such a hard time understanding him, that English is perhaps not his native language (note: "native language" and "native speaker" are precise linguistic terms, not some kind of putdown or insult. And yes, I DO have a degree in Linguistics.)

If his native language is not English, perhaps the United States is not his native country. Here in Southern California, that does not necessarily hold.

If his native country is not the United States, you may be barking up the wrong tree when you bargain with him, because he may understand pricing, bargaining and "a deal" completely differently than you do. In Beverly Hills, there is a subset of the population, with, yes, a particular ethnic background (not the centuries-old stereoptypical group), who will negotiate, set a price, have the work done, then start to negotiate again. This has led us to separate labor from any and all parts and components purchases in order to shorten the length of the hammer they can swing at us....

It will make him happy and he's paying good money,
so who am i to deny this man of his wishes?

What a country! as noted above. You can profit from this, although he, and perhaps you, might have a hand removed in some other country for being so sacrilegious.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 17 made on Friday April 16, 2004 at 15:13
cjoneill
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On 04/16/04 12:02, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
If his native country is not the United States,
you may be barking up the wrong tree when you
bargain with him, because he may understand pricing,
bargaining and "a deal" completely differently
than you do. In Beverly Hills, there is a subset
of the population, with, yes, a particular ethnic
background (not the centuries-old stereoptypical
group), who will negotiate, set a price, have
the work done, then start to negotiate again.
This has led us to separate labor from any and
all parts and components purchases in order to
shorten the length of the hammer they can swing
at us....

I thought that was what a contract was for?

CJ
I'm not a pro
Post 18 made on Sunday April 18, 2004 at 00:17
HDTVJunkie
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On 04/16/04 15:13, cjoneill said...
I thought that was what a contract was for?

CJ

Trouble is, with this particular subset of the general population, the contract isn't recognized as the last word until you are standing before the judge. If you get that far, you will never sell this man anything again, and you won't get any referals.

It's sure frustrating sometimes, but I don't hold it against anyone. It's just a cultural difference and hence, they are really doing nothing wrong IMO.
Post 19 made on Wednesday April 21, 2004 at 06:24
wiringwizard
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Hello From Alaska guys.
Been following you guys for a while and decided to get sighned up and add my meager abilitys to the cause.LOL

In respose, I was thinking of a shuttle style computer with wav file pluged to an signal sensing intercom input. the computer should be smart enough to learn when to play it, though the customer making changes might get sketchy. HUm use xp and u should be able to link up from your comp and adjust setting as needed. LOL or remind him to pay his bill evan LOL
Post 20 made on Wednesday April 21, 2004 at 10:27
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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On 04/16/04 15:13, cjoneill said...
I thought that was what a contract was for?

CJ

| On 04/18/04 00:17, HDTVJunkie
said...
Trouble is, with this particular subset of the
general population, the contract isn't recognized
as the last word until you are standing before
the judge.

EXACTLY.

Because of this, we have chosen to structure our deals so that only ten per cent of the total is not paid at the time that we make it play. We use one of two approaches:
Charge in full for the components and an estimated parts cost, then order them; this method has us collecting for labor as we go, with a maximum of ten per cent of the total unpaid at the moment that we make things play. Up to that time, they have nothing that works.

Or, structure payment for all components, parts and labor without requiring payment in full for components and parts to start. Again, there is a progress payment such that only about ten per cent is unpaid when we light it up.

This way, if someone wants to play with the deal after it has happened,
a)we fire in advance any customer who wants to play with the whole ten per cent, or any more, because they know about this in advance, or
b)they can't slap us around for a whole lot of the job. For ten per cent, if we have to, we can still fire them and make sure they know that we will not be available to service them when (never say IF to such a person) it becomes necessary.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
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