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Hanging tv's from I-beams in restaurant, need advice.
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Post 1 made on Sunday February 15, 2004 at 22:01
bennettavi
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Hi,

I need to hang 5 tv's in a bar & grill environment. This is no problem except that the ceiling is non-existent. It's only I-beams and metal "braces". Most are at an angle.
The TV's are 32" analog sets and 1- 36" set. My plan was to use Peerless Jumbo mounts with the extendable pole and truss mounts. I'll also be renting a "genie-lift" to hoist the tv's (10-12' in air).
Any better solutions? How would you deal with the trusses being at an angle? I'm afraid that the U-braces will slide with gravity on those angles. Thanks for any help.
Post 2 made on Sunday February 15, 2004 at 22:09
JBJ SYSTEMS
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Use a "material lift" in conjunction with a ladder or scissor lift first of all. Skip using the extendable poles/pipes. Get custom length pipes cut and threaded from a plumbing/fire sprinkler company and make sure to paint them!!! Use strut hardware to attach to the I-beam!

How severe is the angle of the trussing? Hanging TV's above people's heads is something that should be tripple over engineered to error on the side of saftey. Use saftey chains also if possible. Attach C-clamps as stops to prevent the TV's from sliding or have a welder tack up something to prevent the sliding if the angle is severe.
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OP | Post 3 made on Sunday February 15, 2004 at 22:17
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Okay, the welding part is no problem. We have someone in our crew who can weld. The angle of the truss is maybe 30 degrees.
So with the custom cut pipes, are you suggesting to set the tv onto a platform of some sort (wood, metal)? I'm assuming 4 pipes... one for each corner of "platform" with threaded bolts holding them?
Lastly, why not the extendable poles from Peerless? They seem functional. Is it the cost? Thanks.
Post 4 made on Sunday February 15, 2004 at 22:45
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I would say cost...and looks. With the trussing at 30 degrees you probably should use strut and threaded rod to create a level surface from which to mount the plate that accepts the threaded pipe. Look into using the double mounts that allow you to mount 2 or 4 TV's from one pipe. Jobs like this take careful planning and wieght calculations to make sure you can support all the weight you are hanging above people. I have some pictures on my website of TV's we hung at Dave and Busters Denver, CO...under the project section
www.jbjsystems.com
Do you understand what I mean with the strut and rod?
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Post 5 made on Sunday February 15, 2004 at 22:54
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Take a look at Lucasey brackets and mounting accessories.
http://www.lucasey.com/
OP | Post 6 made on Sunday February 15, 2004 at 22:58
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I understand the threaded rod, but not sure what your calling a strut. I'm trying to visualize. Nice website, by the way.
I agree with the careful planning on a risky situation such as a Tv over people's heads, and with all my jobs I search for the best and safest approach to accomplish the job on time and on budget. Thanks.
Post 7 made on Sunday February 15, 2004 at 23:04
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If you plan on doing rigging you must know what Strut is. It is the cornerstone of onsite custom rigging. You might know it as powerstrut.

[Link: powerstrut.com]

I think that Premiere has the best mounting solutions - even over lucasey
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Post 8 made on Sunday February 15, 2004 at 23:32
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On 02/15/04 23:04, JBJ SYSTEMS said...

I think that Premiere has the best mounting solutions
- even over lucasey

Would you have a link for Premiere.
Post 9 made on Monday February 16, 2004 at 00:29
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JBJ...

Have been wondering who did that install...

Now I know!

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Post 10 made on Monday February 16, 2004 at 02:42
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Which one is that AVDUDE? The Dave and Busters? We also installed a NextGen System - Music Video's with D&B overlays so they can do promos on top of videos. Cool system but the media providers keep sending bunk mpegs.

http://www.premiermounts.com/

They are the best in my opinion. I have used almost everything out there and their stuff is just plain nice and heavy duty/
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Post 11 made on Monday February 16, 2004 at 02:43
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Which one is that AVDUDE? The Dave and Busters? We also installed a NextGen System - Music Video's with D&B overlays so they can do promos on top of videos. Cool system but the media providers keep sending bunk mpegs.

http://www.premiermounts.com/

They are the best in my opinion. I have used almost everything out there and their stuff is just plain nice and heavy duty

Regarding the D&B install...we were hired to add-on TV's and change the way they play music...the remainder of the installation is way below our standards and I wouldn't want anyone to think we did all the other stuff :)
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Post 12 made on Monday February 16, 2004 at 09:19
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No...not insuating a bad thing at all! Just friendly competitiveness...

I ALWAYS wonder who's done a great, interesting, or butchered (not yours!) install, if it's not me.

Yes, I'm speaking of D&B In Denver...have been to both location (Westminster Promenade and Colorado Cinemas) many times...looks like it was challenging to add new to old...and was very well done!

Next time your in Denver, give me a wring!

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Post 13 made on Monday February 16, 2004 at 21:18
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Well, It's not very often that I make it out that way...so don't worry about the competition. Although if they call me back there maybe I can refer you as you live out there. Thank you for the nice words!
I do have a sister that lives in Westminister though!
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Post 14 made on Monday February 16, 2004 at 21:32
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On 02/15/04 22:09, JBJ SYSTEMS said...
Hanging
TV's above people's heads is something that should
be tripple over engineered to error on the side
of safety. Use saftey chains also if possible.

There is a key word there: Engineering. If I were you, I would tell the cliednt that you want to be sure that you and they are never sued because everybody thought the structure was strong enough, but then it wasn't. I think we all probably tend to install things with WAY more strength than is needed, but still, you don't know if those beams are already stressed to the max.

A golf store once asked my company to install several TVs from 6" poles that supported the roof. I was able to get some engineering information pretty quickly that told me that the poles were over-engineered when they were made, but that codes had changed and they were grandfathered in. There was NO WAY anything could legally be mounted on those poles! We decided not to do the job. They hired someone else, but we all sleep very well at night.


Attach C-clamps as stops to prevent the TV's
from sliding or have a welder tack up something
to prevent the sliding if the angle is severe.

Be careful about welding. Again, Engineering. It is possible to weaken beams by heating them above the usual use temperature, and without Engineering, you do not know if you are creating a dangerous situation. Probably not, but again, there is the matter of sleeping at night....
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 15 made on Tuesday February 17, 2004 at 00:50
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I agree - with Ernie...it sounds also like you haven't done this before. We consult with engineers whenever necessary before attaching or changing anything structural. There are 3 huge benefits.
1)You will know if it is possible or not before you get yourself in too deep.
2)They might offer an easier faster cheaper solution that you might not have thought of.
3)Even though you are still liable...they share the liability by approving plans. This might be the most important.

and it'll help you sleep at night :)
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