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Post 16 made on Saturday March 8, 2008 at 03:09
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I took on an apprenticeship as an electronics technician with a company that manufactured cinema sound equipment. The company went on to make cinema lighting, automation and other ancillery equipment.

I now work for as a Technical Manager for a cinema service and installation company. We also do specialised HT and high end AV installations for special and selected customers.
Post 17 made on Saturday March 8, 2008 at 13:09
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On March 8, 2008 at 02:45, WhiteVan Lifestyle said...
My mom owned a HiFi store when I was born and my Dad was
an engineer for NASA.

I was destined to get stupid!

The Perfect Storm!

This was your destiny, dude!
"If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger."
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Post 18 made on Saturday March 8, 2008 at 15:08
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I got started as a hobbyist like most in this industry did. One of my favorite quotes that I've heard in this industry just because of the brutal honesty it showed was from the resume of a guy that turned out to be a great PM and a great guy. His resume started something to the effect of "I wanted to be a rock star and that didn't work out, so now I do this." I think that and my story are pretty typical.

I can't remember the exact ages or dates, but I was a constant electronics tinkerer as a kid. I remember going to yard sales with my grandmother and I'd always radiate towards anything with an amp or speakers I could buy for a few bucks and take apart to see how it worked and/or make something cool out of it. Thinking back, having a kid playing around with electricity probably wasn't the safest idea in the world, but I figured out a lot on my own and only got zapped a few times. My dad studied computer science at one point. His final project was submitted on punch cards, but for most of my childhood he was in food distribution and my mother was a nurse, neither really technicaly inclined.

Their was, however, a lot of much around my family. My aunts and uncles were musicians and in bands. I remember sitting on the stairs to my grandparents basement watching my uncles band rehearse in complete awe.

I got my first electric guitar at around 13 that was a very old hand-me-down along with a very old hand-me-down amp. Both broke pretty quickly and I never had money to fix them, so I figured it out myself as well as how to hook the guitar up to everything and anything else in the house with a speaker and see how it sounded.

In high school I switched to bass and then to upright bass. I was also the "geek" for the music department and did recordings for them and set up/maintained the PA gear for shows. I went to a public high school with a very serious music department that became one of the best in the state. They have a pretty amazing performing arts center now. The music department is almost like a separate school in a building that's almost the same size as the actual school next to it now. At the time, though, we did shows with "vintage" gear in a crappy gymnasium with awful acoustics, but learning how to make that room sound good taught me a lot.

I spent summers at the state University studying music theory and performance as well as recording and learned a lot. I was pretty much completely immersed in that world. I got good grades and could have persued the standard academic route, but I had every intention of going on to music school after high school until I realized that I had nothing saved and my parents had nothing saved for me to go to school. I went for a little while and payed my way through working in the auto business. I eventually dropped out as I didn't feel like I was getting much value for the money and time I was spending going to work early in the morning, then straight to class until 10pm or so and then doing homework and pretty much leaving just enough time to sleep.

I eventually ended up in auto sales, specializing in B2B commercial truck sales. I was making good money most of the time. I was young and making a heck of a lot more than my peers and having a pretty good time. For all the negatives about the auto business, it was a great boot camp for sales. The two dealers I worked for were very honest straighshooters with 30+ years in business in the same towns, etc. I also started helping them develop the technology and e-sales side of the business as I was obviously somewhat technically inclined.

One of my clients for trucks was an up and coming commercial box house turned integrator and I remember trying to learn about what they did to spec their trucks and thinking it was pretty cool. My brother was an accountant and temping at the time. He ended working for and getting hired by another up and coming box house turned integrator. We were talking one day and he had some pretty good things to say about the company, the jobs they were doing, and the income potential selling there. I was pretty bored with doing what I was doing.

About a month later one of the sales reps left to join another company, leaving a territory open. I setup and interview, nailed most of the sales questions as the owner and I had a lot in common in that way, and most of the tech stuff they asked me from my "hobby." I'd been keeping up with this stuff for years, just had no idea you could make a living at it.

When they gave me my first business card there it said "consultant" on it. I thought I was just supposed to sell the stuff. I had no idea that's just what they called their salespeople. There was no real training. I just got a bunch of names and phone numbers for manufacturer's reps and was told to call and setup training with them. I did as well as sought out every aspect of education on the industry I could while I was making sales pretty much just selling early LCD projectors. I eventually got pretty good at systems sales, designing systems, managing my own projects, etc. I had one big job that turned into a complete disaster and spent 2 weeks onsite cleaning up the mess as a helper for one of the engineers to try to save my commission and the project. I learned a ton and that started me learning more about doing installations. I'd already done staging, so I picked up the rest pretty quickly.

Fortunately or unfortunately I ended up in a position where I could sell, design, manage, install, and support all my own projects. The owner figured that out and how to take advantage of it so I found myself getting assigned fewer and fewer resources to complete projects. I also started getting assigned to bid projects with lower margins as I could impress the consultants. With time bogged down dealing with everything my sales and my income dipped and I started wondering "what's the point?" I went into a yearly goals meeting and ended up catching a whole line of BS about how my sales numbers were off, margins were lower (dealing with the bid jobs), etc. They didn't want to here that everyone else just sold and walked away because they were helpless otherwise. I decided I'd had it then and there.

My brother had worked his way up and become the operations manager, running a large part of the business. He lasted about a month or two longer than I did. A bunch of other good people left around the same time.

I spent 3 months in introspection and exploring the opportunities that the industry offered, interviewed with all the big companies, entertained job offers, etc. I had no idea the residential side of the business existed. No one in commercially really took it seriously.

I met with the owner of a big residential integrator that was expanding, building a new showroom, and that wanted to get into commercial. I was already handling almost all facets of my jobs anyway. I was pretty happy with the company and the quality they were putting out. I was assured I have experienced installers and engineers, etc. Great. We came to an aggreement and set a start date.

My first day I met with the installation manager for the first time and his first question was "So you are going to teach my guys how to so all this stuff, right?" Great...

So now I'm kind of back where I started, but I've already committed to this. I sat down with my brother at a family event and picked his brain a bit. He was newly unemployed and kind of in the same place I was. He was also talking to a couple of installers that had left the company we worked for and looking for something new.

What we decided to do was present the idea of using a completely subcontracted labor force for the new commercial business where I'd started to the owner. That would mean not taking his residential guys out of what they were doing or spending time and money training them. We could work off fixed price labor bids, keep overhead low, etc. It would be safe as these were all guys I'd worked with before. They really liked the idea, so my brother started an install only company. I did he sales, design, engineering and bought all the gear and they installed it. It worked out real well for a while.

The company grew real fast and went through a growing pains phase and had to contract a little for a whole bunch of reasons that would make for an even longer story. I ended up in a situation where I desperately needed help to keep up with the business coming in but we were in hiring freeze, layoff talks were starting, etc. etc. I asked to get laid off. My boss freaked out and finally convinced me to give it another 6 months. I did. I still wanted the layoff. I finally made a deal with the owner to get the layoff if I agreed to stay on as a consultant for a period of time to help them with the continuity/transition. I didn't want to walk away from a commitment, so I agreed. By the end of that day as word got around I was already getting phone calls asking if I'd re-considering staying on.

By the end of that week I had 4 "name your price" job offers, so I was feeling pretty good. I just didn't see an opportunity that I really wanted to persue. That's when I decided to give this a shot on my own. I started doing consulting for my old company and for a couple architects. More and more my clients were asking why they were paying my old company where they were just subcontracting me anyway. More and more the old company started thinking the same thing. At one point they just started referring commercial work to me rather than subcontracting me.

Today I have a great relationship with them. I have a lot of respect for what they do and for knowing what they do well and what is better left to someone else. The owner still helps me as kind of a mentor. He's obviously been in business a lot longer than I have and is very well respected in the industry. Most of my old clients have stuck with me. I've lost a few, mainly because of that transition period not knowing where this was headed. I'm using most of the same installers. We're still a new company, but we're operating in the black, doing good work and have happy clients. We're headed in the right direction a little bit every day. We have a long way to go before I'd consider it a success story, but so far so good.

While my story is very similar to a lot of people in this industry, the difference and what sets us apart today is that most of the integrators are converted box house. We never were. We approach everything from the perspective of installers and engineers, not salespeople. We're young and hungry, but we're hungry to be the best at what we do, not the biggest. We're not the guys to call for the multi-million dollar project, at least right now, but if you want high quality and great service from a committed partner and aren't spending the big dollars that catch the big guys attention and get the "A" teams, then we're the company for you. Maybe that's second tier in some people's minds, but that's my niche right now and I'm very comfortable with it.

Very few people get rich in this business and you need to go into it knowing that. A lot of people get in thinking it's all fun and games and then get out when they realize how hard we work. In the end, though, what we do is pretty cool and there are a lot of good people in this business. For me, even if I don't get rich off of this, if I can make a good living and create some good jobs for good people, it's worth it. That's the key difference between us the good integrators and the not so good. The good ones understand this is a people business. The not so good ones are still in a products business.

Along the way I've seen a lot of people come and go. I've also brought a lot of people into the industry. We all know there is more and more IT coming as the industry evolves, and in a lot of ways they have a leg up on those of us that come from an analog background. Just go into it understanding what you know and what you don't know. Everytime I sit in a meeting or training or whatever with the "holier than thou" arrogant IT guys, and have to smile and nod at the questions they ask recommendations/criticism of what we do and how we do it it reminds me why we've been in "convergence" for 10 years or more. Not better or worse. Different.

In your case, I'd suggest persuing some integrators as marketing clients or looking for a marketing job with a bigger integrator and see where it goes. If you are good at marketing, you know that learning about your customer's business is the most important part and that's a great way to tread lightly into this and then see if you want to go further.

I'll give you the same advice I give everyone else that I talk to about coming into this business. There are good and bad aspects to it like everything. Yeah, there are cool toys, but it's 90% hard work and maybe 10% cool toys (if that). Realistically, we spend very little time actually "playing with the cool toys." I didn't even own a TV for many years, nevermind have a cool control system at home. The cool toys are less cool when you are they one that has create the magic behind them. The genie is out of the bottle pretty quickly and the cool toys become just bringing your work home with you. That being said, however, this is one of the few places in the economy we're you'll always have a job if you are good at what you do. The markets we serve are diversified enough that if the average consumer slows spending, the high end independently wealthy are still there. If the corporate market slows, educational institutions still have their endowments to spend off of and the government still has to function.

Oh, and be prepared to be providing free consulting at every cocktail party or other social gathering. As soon as someone finds out what you do it never fails to turn into a conversation about work and "what tv should I buy" or "Is plasma better than LCD?," "Oh yeah, I have this great Bose system at home. I only buy the best."

Last edited by Other on March 8, 2008 15:19.
Post 19 made on Saturday March 8, 2008 at 22:41
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I was too lazy for a real job and after changing jobs every couple of years due to bordom, I lucked into this a little over a year ago; my now boss owed a family member a favor. I soon learned that my boss was a dead head and former hippie and that freaks and screw ups naturally migrate to this job.

I also found that my coworkers were lazier than I was and I quickly became the highly motivated star because compared to what I'd done before, this is EASY and fun. I ended up running off two dead beats, and have almost molded one screwup into a descent employee (he was the lead tech and my superior when I started)
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Post 20 made on Sunday March 9, 2008 at 00:07
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I started as a projectionist in a movie theater in 1983. Started installing this thing for my company called surround sound in the theaters. 1985 went to work for a mom n' pop called Auto Audio and The Stereo Store 1993 got fired and bought a small car audio shop. 1998 was hired to run a Sound Advice store 2005 SA store closed and I started my company.
Post 21 made on Sunday March 9, 2008 at 00:48
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My mom got me the job.

She owned a yogurt shop. A service tech from an alarm company gave her a card because I was rapidly approaching military age with a mastery of apathy. It was really cool business card.

Black, "Vigilante Burglar Alarms" Cowboy hat hanging off of the V. Fold out card so that as all that was on the front.

I thought that was really cool. My interview was tepid until I revealed that I had a pizza chef job for 3 years: the second most popular pre-av career career.

I wired Nutone intercom systems and Nutone SB2253 single zone keyswitch alarm systems, an occasional phone system or surround sound system.

20 years later I design automation, audio, and video systems in luxury homes in a very beautiful place. I'm glad I stayed with it after making $9.50 an hour for years crawling in attics.
OP | Post 22 made on Sunday March 9, 2008 at 02:59
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good stuff all...thanks....keep it coming. Interesting to see how everyone got into this.

I left out from my thread starting post that I drifted around not knowing what I wanted to do after high school and went to school for audio engineering...got out and took a job at one of the biggest music studios in NYC....the experience turned me off so much I bailed. Never thought to apply what I knew at the time to custom installs, etc...
Post 23 made on Sunday March 9, 2008 at 23:05
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On March 9, 2008 at 02:59, fano3 said...
good stuff all...thanks....keep it coming. Interesting
to see how everyone got into this.

I left out from my thread starting post that I drifted
around not knowing what I wanted to do after high school
and went to school for audio engineering...got out and
took a job at one of the biggest music studios in NYC....the
experience turned me off so much I bailed. Never thought
to apply what I knew at the time to custom installs, etc...

That's very common. I know a lot of people that went to school for audio engineering/recording and then got out and either couldn't find a decent job or realized that they would be recording jingles, training & marketing videos, etc. not the next grammy-winner and ended up in this industry.
Post 24 made on Monday March 10, 2008 at 10:48
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I started as a customer in 12V. I had an award-winning stereo in '87-'88 in MO. When circumstances dictated that I move back to my home state, I got a job as a stockboy in my local custom hybrid retailer. Moved around the store doing all jobs at one time or another, ended up the main installer. Changed jobs 10 years ago to a more respectable establishment, and am still working today.

P.S. BP - Slinging pizza paid for that first stereo... You may just be right!
Post 25 made on Monday March 10, 2008 at 13:41
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Actually the judge told me i had to provide 70000 to 80000 hours of community service or spend a week in jail. I could have been out by now! Talk about a bad decision!
Sorry, all of the free service calls the last couple of weeks has put me into a mood!

I actually started doing deliveries for my Dads repair company in high school and soon we were doing installs for a local company that had no clue except how to sell. This was in the 80's so we made a lot of stuff up back then. I almost think we were more creative then maybe. After a couple of years he started his own A/V company and i was the one installer for a while, which was fine because it's cool to know who messed everything up. Next thing you know 20 years has passed and i STILL hate both the cable company and Directv, some things never change.
OP | Post 26 made on Monday March 10, 2008 at 16:34
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On March 9, 2008 at 23:05, Other said...
That's very common. I know a lot of people that went to
school for audio engineering/recording and then got out
and either couldn't find a decent job or realized that
they would be recording jingles, training & marketing
videos, etc. not the next grammy-winner and ended up in
this industry.

yeah I mean I was working at THE studio in NYC and working with major artists, assisting and stuff but it just got to the point where I felt like I was working on an assembly line. Plus working 36-48 hours straight with no sleep at times for like $5 an hour soured me. That and the owner's kids who took over and ran it were spoiled brats that treated all of us like $hit. Burnt me out and turned me off to anything audio related at the time and headed in a totally different direction. A bit of regret now some 17 yrs later.
Post 27 made on Monday March 10, 2008 at 21:25
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I was in 12v for many years before I went into home back in 2000. My previous companies include Best Buy and Tweeter. Got "smart" and went the custom route and love almost every day.
Who says you can't put 61" plasmas up on cantilever mounts using toggle bolts? <---Thanks Ernie ;)
Post 28 made on Monday March 10, 2008 at 21:55
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played with radioshack build an electronic toy kit (alarm, fm tuner, misc. other things on a piece of circuit board -white board thingy) in 3-5th grade

rewired my first surround system out of a bi-amped panasonic boom box, and built center and rear speaker cabinets with radio shack drivers and cross-overs in 7th grade

Began DJ'ing private parties and bar mitzvah's when I was 14 and 15, decided not to invest $5-7000 in DJ equipment and lighting and expand and instead I took that money plus some loans and bought my first vehicle at 16.

Tinkered with my truck and built multiple stereo systems for myself and friends vehicles and did the install with a few buddies; also created and analyzed multiple business plans with regards to car stereo sales and installation. graduated high school and went to college to become a civil engineer...needless to say that didnt workout to well, nearly flunked out my first quarter (bit of a shock coming from nearly straight A's in high school).

4 months later I got a job at Circuit City working full time doing sales (while still going to college full time but changing my major to business economics), and was the number one associate in my region for my department within about 6 months, set records etc. Wasn't allowed to be promoted asshole boss at the time, so I left on a tuesday and started working for the good guys on friday 3 days later.

Spent the next year leading the department, and more or less running the department until I transferred schools (UofWashington to UofArizona). worked on and off during school breaks for the next year and a half, graduated with a degree in business and marketing and moved back and started back into sales/install/and unofficial department/sales manager while looking for a "real" job. 2 weeks later 9/11 happended and potential job postings disappeared.

Spent the next 2.5 years doing sales and managing at the good guys while taking the occasional interview that showed up. November of 03 the writing was on the wall and I began analyzing the custom market but from the standpoint of the average consumer and there was and still arent many firms serving these customers...its hard to get enough customers to stay busy initially, but i decided to take the risk in febuary and offered to be layed off and started my business with 10k in savings and a 3 month window to give it a try to see if it will work. I was fortunate to get referrals from the good guys and then referrals of referrals have mostly kept me busy the last 4 years.

Over the last 2-3 years I've been anticipating many negative trends for the segment and as some may remember from a post a while ago I am back in school now getting my MBA from the UofWashington while still running my business, and planning for the future (hope to graduate the end of this summer). My guess is I will end up in brand or product management with a manufacture in our industry or some other consumer packaged goods or services firm. My business will then morph into more of a hobby business in theory becoming more profitable per hour of billable labor which will be used as a nice supplement to buy toys with.

Long term is anybodies guess...maybe I'll make millions with a golden parachute and restart the retail side of my business with a boutique showroom as something to do for fun between vacations. We can always dream!
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