Well, that's what our problem is...All of our jobs are bid jobs, and it just seems like we go over bid an aweful lot. It just seems like our boss bids the job as a normal job with no problems, and then we start establishing wire routes and we find out there are a lot of obsticles. If I had it my way I would tell the customer that it was time and materials or that I would bid it if they would let me make 2 or 3 1" X 1" inspection holes around the house to see what we are dealing with. Every house is different, and some of these customers just need to understand that what we provide is not what everyday people get...it's expensive stuff and we take pride in making the system sound nice, be easy to operate, and of course look nice within their home. I'm at the point now where it almost seems like I should bash holes all over the house to make the wiring go faster to make bid. But I would rather make as few holes as possible and snake the wire the right way.