Thanks, Edmund. I assume that HT-PRO is the urc-9964, right? I prefer a remote I can largely operate by feel, instead of having to look at it all the time, so I think I'll pass on the kameleon. However, I tried a urc-8911w(I think), the WM version of the urc-8910, when they first came out and I definitely think my RS 15-2104 (found on clearance for $10:-)) has better button layout for touch use. And yes, I remember the awful donut ring and will definitely avoid it. Wish I would've bought an RS 15-2117 when they were clearanced, however.