OK. I didn't know the dual tuner came in a non-DVR model. If you change your mind and want to buy a single dishnetwork tuner off me used for about $10 (or less if you haggle... hehehe) let me know. These are legitimate tuners with cards ... not sure if the cards need replacing, but I think I did that already. I gave one to a friend and he had no trouble at all activating it with the card that's in it. The offer's out there if you need it.