3p, I agree and will take it onboard, I'm pretty good at reading people, I was a cop in a former life, and I don't think it was that, like I said the first install of the camera system was smooth as silk, and for the most part the system was fine, except for the heavy volume finger, he's not mad, yet and I think I can deal with him, when he's not been in "Grandpa's cough medicine", plus I was trying to get in good with the GC, but I have scuttled that idea..