All this confirms is that this was not designed for the CI market. There is not a single CI on this planet that would ask for a TV without discrete commands. I would not allow a client to dictate what TV we use if we go into it knowing that the set chosen has no discrete commands. They would have to pony up for the next available model that will allow us to provide what they want, with reliable control. This set is a total fail without discretes. Commerical or Residential. May as well stop production cause no way real CI's will deal with these things. Your only chance of moving these is if the Alarm guys come in and just throw them on the wall for clients. That's about it!!!