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Post 165 made on Tuesday April 8, 2014 at 14:20
David Haddad
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On April 8, 2014 at 13:02, Ernie Gilman said...
Back in the sixties, the "Free Speech Movement" was started at UC Berkeley. At that time, Reagan had come down hard on Angela Davis, not wanting her to speak at any of the UCs. My opinion was that ideas should be heard -- if they were crap they would be found to be crap, but the only way to do that was to listen, to expose oneself to alternate ideas.

Well, the left now has its free speech and shouts down the right. Have you heard of conservative students shouting down liberal speakers? Nope -- only liberals shouting down conservatives.

As 3Pedal says, liberals are the worst when it comes to actual coexistence.

Two generalizations come to mind.
One, that I've seen again and again, is that conservatives think that liberals are wrong while liberals think that conservatives are evil. I understand that because I felt that way. Then I started thinking.  Dennis Miller says that his conversion started slightly before he started reading about political things.  The average liberal, I'd say, has a completely heart-felt conviction about his beliefs, but that conviction is rarely tested by discussion because the liberal refuses to expose himself to alternate ideas.

The second generalization, which most marvelously has not occurred here very much, is that the liberal does not engage in dialogue but instead shuts down the discussion by claiming SIX HIRB.  That is, the conservative is accused of being
Sexist
Intolerant
Xenophobic
Homophobic
Islamophobic
Racist
Bigoted

All you liberals, be on the lookout for situations where this name-calling occurs.  Once you have a sense that it does, you'll see it again and again and you'll be kicking yourself for never noticing it in the past!  And, of course, since there is no refuting such an accusation, the discussion stops.

Gotta go.

Let me see if I got this:

"Liberals are the worst when it comes to coexistence".
"Conservatives think that liberals are wrong but liberals think that conservatives are evil".
"Only liberals shout down conservatives".
"the liberal does not engage in dialogue but instead shuts down the discussion by claiming SIX HIRB."
"the liberal refuses to expose himself to alternate ideas."

I see what you did there Ernie. You're trying to be ironic and pretend you lack the self-awareness to realize that you just engaged in multiple vast over-generalizations vilifying liberals, to give an example of how liberals engage in vast over-generalizations vilifying conservatives.

You're a genius.

I could be wrong but I bet you were even intentionally showing how confirmation bias can cause one to interpret events such that they always reinforce ones beliefs. So that for instance, one intensely notices all attempts of one side to "stifle discussion" while ignoring all attempts by the other side to "stifle discussion".

Now that I've appreciated what a self-aware genius you are, here's what I suspect you were really trying to say for those who don't appreciate your subtlety.

1. Some conservatives and liberals give lip service to free speech but quickly try to silence those they disagree with.

2. It's best not to engage in vast over-generalizations saying what "conservatives think" or "liberals think", but rather to address specific points.

3. And so on and on.


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