I got my 2100 a few days ago and has been having lots of fun programming it so far, especially when trying to cram up to 6 keystrokes in one learned command, it takes a lot of dexterity, almost like playing a game, thanks to this forum for suggesting this wonderful "hack" !!

In doing so I realize there was a bug when using any learned command in a macro, it seems that the 2100 plays each learned command more than once! (3 times to be exact)

Here's what I do:

- Go to an unused device page (like Deck B) that I use as a scrap-book for learned commands
- Learn a command into one of the LCD keys (to be used in a macro) - for instance, I have a 6-keystroke command to toggle Closed Captioning.
- Assign this learned command to a macro (either a SC1~3 macro or a device component macro)
- Play back the macro

What I see:
- Each "learned" keys are executed 3 times
- Each preprogrammed keys are executed correctly once

So, if I have a mix of learned keys and preprogrammed keys in the same macro, the learned ones will be played 3 times, while the preprogrammed ones will be played correctly once.

This is really causing me a problem since I wanted to create a Power-ON macro which was a mix of learned and pre-programmed keys. The result is my compoent is turned on/off three times in a row. Same things with other learned commands (X10, etc.)

Any idea how to circumvent this problem? Is it a known bug? Is my AV2100 defective?

Thanks for any help on this,
Ludo.

When learning you must hold the single button down until the AV2100 finishes working. I doubt a "learned macro" will function properly in another macro.

Thanks for the reply Daniel. I'm afraid I don't really understand though. The "bug" I am seeing happens regardless of how long the learned command ends up being (i.e. if I teach a short, one-keystroke command to a key [such as POWER ON], and then use it in a macro, it repeats the command 3 times.) It does this only with learned commands in macros.

A "learned macro" is just a looong sequence of IR commands separated by such a small interval that the 2100 considers it as a single IR command. When played back, I don't see why it should behave differently than a single-keystroke learned command.

Thoughts?

Macros often repeat the signal a certain number of times to ensure they go through.

Daniel if the signals repeat themselves what is stoping say your amp from turning on then off in that short period of time.I have noticed that my macros sometimes send out only two signals the second cancelling the first, even with different timing intervals.

I have a denon avr-2100 Receiver. The Amp component has only the input, Menu, channel, volume etc buttons. I want to configure the dsp functions of the receiver on to the remote. Is there any way I can add all the DSP buttons to the Amp component? Also does the remote come pre-programmed for Denon DSP?I do not want to use two of them for the amplifier. I am sure one of you would have encountered this? Can you please tell me how you handled this?

Thanks
krish

OK, let me try and explain.

The average learned signal is a very short string followed by a repeat command. Say the IR string is "ABCD" and you learned it correctly. When you hold the button down you would get:

ABCD{repeat}

...which would look like:

ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD

...until you release the button. However, in a macro, if it just sent the command once you'd only get:

ABCD{end}

which would be much too short for many devices to recognize as a valid signal for them. So, in a macro, the remote would do:

ABCD-ABCD-ABCD{end}

This ensures that the signal gets through -- and since it's a continuous signal with no breaks, your device only senses it as one command. Now, the problem you are experiencing is that one of those "learned macros" would be a string of several commands together, such as

ABCD-LMNO{end}

However, since you learned the signal with your finger, you'd have fairly long strings already. So, the learned macro would probably look like:

ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-LMNO-LMNO-LMNO-LMNO{end}

...which works find as long as you just press it with your finger (the learned code is longer than a normal finger press so it only gets sent once). But the remote's auto-macro-repeating feature conflicts with your "non standard" codes, so you get:

ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-LMNO-LMNO-LMNO-LMNO-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-LMNO-LMNO-LMNO-LMNO-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-ABCD-LMNO-LMNO-LMNO-LMNO

...which your device senses as three completely separate sequences.

This problem can also happen on single learned signals if they were incorrectly learned (by NOT holding them down until the remote finishes), which means you may get:

ABCD-ABCD{end}ABCD-ABCD{end}ABCD-ABCD{end}

...which your devices may sense as three (or less) separate commands.

Hope this helps.


Krish: the RM-AV2100 does not come preprogrammed with any receiver DSP devices. You could simply reassign the DSP type of component to the AMP device for the sub/rear/center volume labels, however for everything else (everything to the right of the keypad) remember that you can select the button labels when learning.

Thanks so much for the extensive explanation of the problem, wow, I am impressed! I wonder whether there is a workaround... I'll look into this a bit more.

There's no workaround for this, except not to use "learned macros" in other macros.