I obtained a list of the 255 magic codes and tried them all to get the codes that All-in-one didn't have for my Samsung TV. I found my codes and found several features my TV was not supposed to perform. I programmed most of these into buttons on my remote. I didn't understand the table or how those numbers were supposed to represent the lower 8 digits event though I understand binary well enough. However, after testing all 255 codes I accidently entered one that was not on the list and found more functions that my remote can perform. Is there a more complete list of possible codes or can someone explain to me the 255 thing a little better.

Vicky,
For each device setup code, there is a possibility for using 256 (0-255) advance codes. The mfr. of the devices, themselves put in the firmware ofthe device just which ones will allow for a function to work. Some may allow for 10, others may allow for many more, say 30, 40, or more.
The efcs or advance codes are a modest attempt at disguising the actual codes the devices actually use, the OBCs or "Original Button Codes". There are 4 basic "themes" that ueic has used, but there are other "minor" themes as well. JP-1 ers have pretty well figured out this feeble theme at diguising. The UEIC remotes use those disguised efc's in their programming, remember, the original mfr. uses OBC programming.
The relationship between how those efc's are related to the OBC's used by the mfrs is protocol based. Protocols break down the binary to related hex, and that hex is related to the efc's under the protocol used. Thus, an efc of, say 026 in device setup code TV_0250 will perform a completely different function than efc 026 in TV_0003, or cd_0437, etc. Therefore, if you found discrete on as efc 026 in one mode, don't expect to see efc 026 be discrete "on" for your vcr, or any other device, the likelyhood of that happening, while possible, is pretty remote.
That's why Rob tries to maintain as thorough a list of advance codes at his site. As you have probably discovered, The ones that ueic or RS provided in a list emailed or gotten over the phone may not be all-inclusive for a particular device, just the ones that have been documented. Personal searches may yield yet other efc's that will perform a function with any specific device.
JP-1, and manually programming all the possible 256 efc's are 2 ways of discovering yet undocumented advance codes that actually perform a function. At JP-1, we try to advise each others of the ones we discover through our personal searches, and post them for others to try on their specific related devices.
JP-1 makes it easier because we can temporarily program a "new" device setup code with the undocumented efc's on a "trial" basis, rather than resorting to the P,#,#,# method which can be quite tedious and tiring. We'll note which do something, and what they do, then move on to the next "bank" for trial. Once we've gone through all the possible's through banks, or other means, we can then make a new device upgrade code that includes all the one's we've found that work something. It's been thru JP-1 that the majority of undiscovered or undocumented discretes have been found and posted.
As you may have found, while ueic and RS may report efc's over 255, there really are only 256 basic ones, and the ones over 255 are actually just repeats of the basic 0-255, thus 256 actually =000, 257=001, etc.
For more in-depth coverage, I suggest Tommy Tyler's "JP-1 for Beginners" which you can find at both rob's site, and the JP-1 group files.
Jim

Just to add to what Jim said, I have several worksheets on my site that will translate the EFCs (advanced codes) into OBCs (original button codes).

If you are using the EFCs that UEI sent you, these need to be reduced to their base form before you try using my worksheets. To reduce a code to it's base form, you need to keep subtracting 256 until the number is below 256.

Here are the worksheets....
[Link: hifi-remote.com]

Rob

Thank you. This was a part of the puzzle I was missing.
"Thus, an efc of, say 026 in device setup code TV_0250 will perform a completely different function than efc 026 in TV_0003, etc." The links you two sent me have helped a lot. The manual ### method though tedious since I had to cycle through more than once with your equipment in various states has revealed some unexpected and very useful functions.
Thanks

Vicky,

The website rob provided the link to also has lists of device setup codes and the efc's that are known to work certain functions. referring to them may save you some time in your search. Also, if you find some that aren't posted, could you please forward them to rob and he'll be more than happy to add them to his lists.
A little know "feature" of JP-1 is that someone has devised a special program or protocol for some remotes whereby you can quickly and easily do efc searches. It works like this: You install the protocol. set the device for the setup code you wantto do the search for, then each press of the up arrow sends an increasing efc. pressing the down arrow sends the efc 1# lower than the previous. Thus, 256 presses of the up arrow will have sent each of the efc's from 000 to 255. if you "get a hit" you can press another button (I think "select"), and the remote blinks back the efc #. However, this requires JP-1 to install this special protocol.
I, personally, haven't tried it; however, I have a 1994 that I use, and a 6800 that I keep for tests, searches, etc. and may install that protocol on the 6800 just for doing efc searches.
Jim

Jim,

Are you trying to convert me to a JP-1 person? If so should I stick with my URC-7800 or move up to a URC-8811 before I begin this hacking venture.

Vicky

Vicky,
I would highly recommend JP-1 for anyone with a nice ueic remote if they want to achieve the ultimate use of it. if you're happy with your 7800, then stick with it. However, I HATE the numeral keys on my 6800. That's one reason why I just use it for testing.
The 8811 is a very nice remote, I just don't know if i would exactly call getting one an "upgrade". However, I would suggest avoiding the 8910, 9910, and the 2104. The 2116 has received PILES of high marks, so I would categorize that model as an "upgrade". if you remember the old RS models the 1994 and 1995, it's layout, feel, etc is very similar, and it has the lcd screen which some users like. Personally, I am heavily considering the 2116 for my personal use. You may have similar or different tastes.
Just as a suggestion: The 7800 merely requires the 6 pin header. Slick__Rick's JP-1 cable kit (10.00 delivered) includes a loose header. You could 1. Build the cable, 2. Install the header, and 3. Play with the JP-1 software for a while to get familiar with it's workings, and in the meantime evaluate if you want to invest in another remote at a later date. Both the 8811 and 2116 already have the header pre-installed, so that would give you 2 remotes that are JP-1able, and you could really whack up some power by installing an extender and/or some other special protocols on the new remote, and still have the 7800 for tests, learning , experimenting, etc. Then your actual "user" wouldn't be tied up doing all the groundwork untill you work out all the programming you want, then install it all at once, or even piecemeal as you work through one device at a time. JUST a suggestion, and what I personally would do if I was in your shoes.
Jim

Jim,
The 8811 would be an upgrade mainly for the two extra macro keys. Can I use the shift with a macro key to record another macro on the same macro key? I went to the Oneforall website and the reviews page of remote central and could not find the 2116. I'm sold on Oneforall and would have a really convincing argument to make me change. Also I want a rather cheap remote as I need to have two identical remotes for personal use since the other users of my home theater are into sports and tend to abuse the remote in moments of high emotion. The two because when they share the large screen they watch 4 games at once and one holds the remote with the jump set for antenna and the other holds the jump set for satellite. It's something I don't understand but have learned to live with. So please send me a link to the these reviews of the 2116.
Vicky

This message was edited by vickyg on 11/25/02 12:47.00.

You can put macros on almost any key, besides any dedicated macro keys. This includes your 7800. Perhaps you should read Rob's unofficial 7800 and/or 1994 manual at his site. JP-1 does make it a lot easier to program macors, but as you know, they can be programmed manually, except certain keys. Read his maual.

|Can I use the shift with a

Yes, but like I said above, you AREN'T restricted to programming macros to just the 2 dedicated macro keys on your 7800. The 2116, with JP-1, allows macros to be programmed to device keys, and shifted device keys. If you don't program a macro to the shifted device key, it defaults to just being the device.

|I went to the Oneforall website and

The 2116 is a Radio Sack remote. OFA's and RS's are BOTH made by UEIC. There really is squat difference between them. Personally, I think MOST users who have both "brands" prefer the RS versions because RS seems to have users more in mind when they design them. You won't find that much difference in prices, but the consensus has been that the RS versions have been better thought out, more user friendly, etc. But, remember, OFA and RS remotes are both made by the same outfit, ueic.


This could be done with ONE remote, and small macros. They could set up 4 buttons and a single press will jump from game to game. I assume you are the "remote keeper" the majority of the time. If different stations are used, you could easily and quickly change the macro programming depending on the stations/channels involved for the day's viewing. I think I'd impress on these 2 guys that abuse of the remote or other equipment shouldn't be tolerated.


Check the threads in the "One For ALL" forum here at remote central. There are NUMEROUS threads there concerning the 2116. There are also some here in the "universal remote" forum, but not to the extent as in the OFA forum. Click "forums" at the top of this page in the remote looking thing, scroll down the list of forums that comes up, and select the OFA forum.

and really, check out rob's 7800 and/or 1994 unofficial manuals, you already missed out on tons of power that you've already missed, much less the Mega-tons available thru JP-1.

Jim

Jim,

With the LCD wouldn't this model be more fragile. Yes I know I should be able to get the sports fans to quit abusing the remotes, but you've got to pick your battles. The sports fans do not sit close enough to one another to share a remote - I think this keeps them from abusing one another. Having 2 remotes makes it simple for everybody.

Vicky

Vicky,

I haven't heard where the lcd screen has made the remotes more or less fragile than non-lcd remotes. I've even heard that touchscreens will take a pretty good dose of abuse. Of course no remote could stand up to severe abuse. Abuse here is a bit relative. I guess only you know just what kind, and the severity of abuse your remotes have to endure.
I suppose you could assign the 2116 to the guy that's generally less abusive than the other, and give the more abusive one the 7800. Personally, if they can both "get along" enough to use 2 remotes and not kill each other or have "remote battles" selecting just which game to watch at any particular point in time, I would think that just 1 button pusher would do just as well.
maybe the solution in your case is the 2116 for you, and pick up another 7800 or 6800 on ebay for 5.00 or so as the second remote for the sports nuts/abusers would be the best solution. I admire your patience and attempts at understanding these two guys, But I sure can't see putting yourself at the bottom of the totem pole as far as a remote is concerned. Of course with a third remote you could shut down the whole ball of wax if things get out of hand, so I guess that would make you the abuse cop.;)
Jim

Jim,

When I was buying my first Universal remote I read a lot of reviews that said the LCD was the first thing to go. That scared me after having gone through two original equipment replacment remotes (I had not heard of the All-in-One then).

Do I need the JP-1 to program the shift macro?

Is the 2116 limited to the same number of advanced keystrokes as the 7800? I have 2-8key macros and 13 advanced codes programmed in across my 6 devices. I use the learning keys for advanced codes instead of learning codes since I'm so paranoid about the original remotes being broken and I don't want to be dependent on them.

I'd like to add two more macros for my viewing enjoyment:

1. Do a quick turn on/off closed caption with mute on/off.
2. Turn on my version surround sound - turn the stereo on/off, change the stereo/input to vcr 2 and punch DVD and SAT so everything is in the best movie viewing mode.

I'm afraid I'd be pushing that 45 keystroke limit.

Maybe I should be getting a more high-end remote not to share with the sports fans.

Vicky

Vicky,



Apparantly you still haven't gotten rob's unofficial manual; I can't STRESS how much you really should. Yes, You can program a shifted macro Without JP-1. The "shift" key= the "setup" (star, "magic")key on your 7800. Immediatally prior to selecting the macro holding key, merely press (regular) the setup key. To invoke that macro, just press "setup", then the key you put the macro on. If you read rob's manual you'll know just which FEW keys you can't put macros, or shifted-macros on.
Better yet, forget you even have the original 7800 manual except to look up device setup codes. Print rob's version of the manual, and follow it.
The firmware of the 7800 doesn't allow macros to be put on the device keys. However, with JP-1 you can put macros on shifted-device keys. An extender will allow you to put macros on the device keys WITH JP-1. The 2116 is quite different in that it allows programming macros to the device and or shift-device keys WITHOUT an extender.



Almost all the learning remotes have equivalent amounts of keymove/macro space between them, very minor differences across remotes. But--you have to remember that most of these have 2K eeproms, and a good chunk of that is "reserved" for upgrade space. Currently you aren't using ANY of that space at all. I think my 6800(and your 7800) has about 1200 bits of eeprom for upgrades. Most likely with JP-1, you could free up a lot of that keymove space you're using by making upgrades that include those current keymoves. BTW, those 4 "L" buttons aren't the only keys you can learn to. if you read rob's manual, you'll see that you can learn to ALMOST any key. The third area in the eeprom is learning memory. With efficient JP-1 setups, many people install an extender which eliminates learning memory, but INCREASES macro/keymove memory. With a backup learner like your 7800 to decode signals, you wouldn't need learning on a 2116 user. Use the 7800 as a building tool. Then you could have room for TONS of macros and keymoves.


Piece of cake. I assume in sat or cable mode. Without JP-1, mute is tied to the vol. + and - for tv and/or audio modes. However, keymoves take precedence over default settings. You'd of course need to know your sat/cbl CC toggle code.


With the 2116 and JP-1, you could set up macros on each of the device keys to turn on appropriate equipment, do the input selects, etc to put you in all the approptiate settings required as you'd like. Since watching a dvd doesn't require the sat receiver to even be on, just leave the sat out of the macro. watching the sat doesn't need the dvd player on, so leave it out of the macro. if You have discrete off's for everything, set up a power or shift-power macro to kill eveything, regardless of whether it's on or off.


Using JP-1, the "shift" isn't a keystroke, you merely check the shift box. it is a keystroke when manually programming, another advantage of JP-1.


Wise decision. Let them abuse the 7800 and another one, and save the power-packed playtoy for you. Hey, it's your stuff, why not?
Jim

Gee, good thing my wife isn't home, she'd hammer me with all kind of qustions about who this Vicky is I've been writing to ;) BTW, on Yahoo messenger the user name is the same and I'm generally online. It may be easier and quicker that route than these slow posts.

Jim,

Ok you've convinced me that I need to explore the JP-1 aspect of remote controls. However, after looking at pictures of the URC8811 and the RS-2116 I think the URC8811 has more buttons. To think I stumbled into this site looking for a comparisson of the 8811 to the 7800 so that I could buy a Christmas gift for a friend.

So if I go with the 8811 I need the cable. software that works on a 2000/professional system.

What should I be shopping for.

Vicky

Vicky,

Yeah, the 8811 does have more buttons. However, they're smaller and more closer together. if you have long thin fingers that may not matter. BTW, did you know you can also program functions to shifted keys? Thus a 27 button remote can actually be a 54 button remote. Maybe instead of basing a decision on just # of buttons, you should actually hold and feel each of them. Both are bigger than your 7800, in all directions, but not that much difference between them. pick up each and see how they fit, and how manipulating buttons will work out for you. Both are decent remotes, but for features the 2116 has the 8811 beat. I know of very few devices that either can't handle with the normal and shifted keys.

The cable can be gotten in kit or completed form. the kit is 10.00, the assembled is 18.00, and that's including the shipping. Rob's site has a link to Rick's Hovisdirect site to order the cable, he's real quick on getting them sent out. he also takes paypal for payments if that helps.

the soft ware is FREE at the JP-1 yahoo group. JOIN the group, you'll find lots of help from some pretty dang savvy experts.

You'll need windows and Excel (I use win 95 and office 97 with no problems). Go to the Files>Tools and download Keymapmaster.xls and IR3.07a from the files. Both are zipped, and the yahoo groupo also has a free winzip program to open them if you need it. Monitor the yahoo group regularly, there's updates to the programs, especially the KM program almost daily. Feel free to post ANY questions there you might have you'll get any and all help you'll need.
The software has seen a lot of revisions, to make it more powerful, and more user friendly. Work is constantly being done to make improvements. The group is a user group, and all the work is done gratis by dedicated members. There's some readme's in the programs, be sure to read them thoroughly before you attempt any actual programming. Fact is, you can play with the programs before you get the cable to familiarize yourself with them. Please, if you have any JP-1 questions, please post them at the JP-1 site. with over 6300 members, someone will quickly get you an answer. Best wishes, good luck, and have fun.
Jim