OK, so I decide I want to build the JP1 device to work a universal remote for my Panny TUHDS20 HD receiver. I do not have the original remote. Now, I check to see if the codes are available as I am currently unable to work two main functions:

1. I need the "Action" button to work.
2. I need the "Aspect Ratio" button to work.

Both do not currently work with my Mitsu remote. I wish to immediately address these in order for JP1 device to be successful for me.

So, I buy probably a OFA 8811 (or similar). I still don't have the coes, or do I? A guy read one of my posts somewhere and has sent me a .CCF file with the codes he has programmed into his Pronto for his Panny TUHDS20 HD box. This is the only person I have found so far who has a complete set of working codes even though it is for a different remote. I unzipped the file he sent me and yet could not open or view it. What type of program will show me this .ccf file? Will I be able to translate the .ccf file into something I can send to the OFA8811 with a JP1? Is this possible? I was even hoping to view the .ccf file and perhaps post the contents of it for review but I am stuck.

Hooking up a JP1 sounds very interesting to me and I have built some attenuators for my Mitsu so I don't think building one would be a problem. I'm just trying to make sure that I can do what I want without the original remote. Please help this newbie make a decision if you can.

James.

James,
The JP-1 group routinely uses pronto ccf files to dissect, and build working codes for their remotes. i had an older BSR EQ that came without an original remote. Like you, a guy sent me his ccf file for this device. John wote a small program available in the files section at JP-1 called ccf2efc. This converts the ccf file into UEIC format. The process is VERY simple.
Download the file from JP-1 group. store it in a folder, perhaps on your desktop, or "my briefcase", etc. Store the ccf you received in the same folder. Then drag and drop the ccf file into the ccf2efc file and POOF, up pops the conversion.
All the information you'd need to build the device upgrade code will be there. Along with a cable, you'd also need to download at least 2 other files from JP-1. The first is "Keymapmaster6.00beta16.zip" Uou'll find that in the "tools folder". You'll also need IR3.07, it's in the tools folder also. Once you get these, have the cable, etc. and are ready to begin, post any questions, etc. at the JP-1 group, and there are plenty of people there that can help, explain, etc. The 8811 would be a very good choice, as it is a "learner", and that comes in handy to diagnose or dissect the signals from an original remote, another very useful tool.
You should be able to get every function you need, even without actually having the original remote for the receiver.
Jim

Well Jim, thank you for your responses. I will download the converter and check it out. I have already downloaded the instructions and will start on pulling the parts together for assembly. My wife thinks I'm crazy to want to build this thing instead of paying the $50 for an original remote. I think it is kind of interesting(she doesn't understand that it's not the money) and will work better in the long run.

Thanks again.

James.

So, I found the convert file "ccf2efc" and did the conversion. The question (probably a silly question but when you don'tknow, you don't know)that I have is:

Do the codes listed below still apply if they are learned codes?

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HOME(0000C73C) "HOME"

DEVICE(0000C792) "TU-HDS20"
Chan-(0000B954) freq=37.0KHz
(PANASONIC):128.2:203 EFC = 051
"Learned"
0000 0070 0000 0032 007F 0042 000F 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 000F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 000F 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 000F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 000F 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 000F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 000F 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 002F 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 002F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0AC8

Chan+(0000B95F) freq=37.0KHz
(PANASONIC):128.2:202 EFC = 047
"Learned"
0000 0070 0000 0032 007F 0042 000F 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 000F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 000F 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 000F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 000F 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 000F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 002F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 000F 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 000F 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0AC8

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Thanks again.

James.

I'm not sure I understand your question (all commands in ccf files are "learned"), but I have extracted the relevant parts of the ccf2efc output above, you can use this info to build a new code using KM.

Rob

James,

All commands are learned in a pronto. There aren't any native codes. Looking at the first decode, we can see that your receiver uses Panasonic protocol. 128.2.203 :The main device number is 128. The sub device is "2". The "203" is the OBC or "Original Button Code" for Channel down. The corresponding EFC is 051; EFC= "advanced Code". Don't worry about all those lines of 0's, etc, you won't need them, that's "raw data", their ignals reported as hex.
The difference between this and Channel up, is slight: still protocol is Panasonic, main device # is still 128, Subdevice is still "2", only now the OBC is "202", and it's corresponding EFC is 047.
You can look at the rest of the translations in the ccf2efc conversion for the other functions/buttons. You've got the start to build a device upgrade code with KM.
I just checked devices.xls. Panny 128.2 is Cable/sat device setup code Cbl_0701. If you have a 1994,7800,orP-8 you should be able to assign your cable device button with "0701" and have a good deal of functionality. Maybe not FULL, but a heavy start. You should be able to go to rob's site and get the advanced codes for cbl_0701 to get more. programming in those other efc's is called "keymoves" or using the keymover function. If you have an 8811, or other RS/OFA remote, this setup code may already be native to it, too.
Jim

Thanks for the info Jim and Rob, I'm sorry if just don't get it the first time but this is new to me.

I'll try to put all this together in the next day or two and see if I can figure it out in my head. I'm still a little worried about this whole "maybe not full use of the remote" thing. I'd like to assure myself, before actually going through this whole process that I can undoubtedly get the Action and Aspect buttons to work as stated in the first post of this thread. As it is now, my Mitsu remote can already do everything except these two vital functions. I'm sorry if I'm being repetitive but without the ability to gain these two operations, this drill will be useless. I'm just trying to save myself any disappointment should I build/program this and then not have it work to my needs upon completion. I'm just not one to start a project without a full solution.

So, it seems that the next step for me is to see if I can figure out the advanced codes for the Action and Aspect buttons. See, this is where I'm a little confused (again!). I figured that if I had this ccf file for the Pronto and converted it, the Action and Aspect codes would already be there and all I would have to do is load them into the spreadsheet/software/interface and shoot them into the remote. As I understand it now, this is not the case. Apparently, I still have to go to rob's site and get the advanced codes for cbl_0701 and search around looking for these operations, then program in those other efc's called "keymoves" using the keymover function. Whew, is this correct?

James.

This message was edited by JamesM007 on 10/02/02 10:53.46.

James,
We can't all have the same devices. However, the general rules and processes that we can go thru are similar. I don't have the same devices you have, but I did have to go thru all the same steps that we are suggesting to you. There's no guarantees in anything; but 99.9% of the times guys have been successfull in achieving what they wanted. I didn't look up the advance codes for cbl_0701 because I personally don't have a need to. You do, and should be willing to do the legwork, ginven the suggestions of where to look, etc. Like Jon said, the ccf file may or may not have every function you want; the ones you want may not have been important to the guy that learned signals into his pronto. Then again, maybe they are there.
I did take the time to see if there was a device setup code that was 128.2; turns out there was, and it was cable_0701. UEIC may not have programmed in every possible function, but what THEY thought MOST people would want. However, many times they provide advance codes for the others. I would espect that the 0701 setup code would provide a good chunk of the functions you need or want. Between the ccf and the advance codes list at rob's site, you've got a good chance to know every advance code or efc that will work something on your receiver. I'm not going to go out and buy the same receiver just to pre-set up a remote for you. Looks to me like you took a chance on getting the receiver without an original remote in the first place. There's no guarantee that getting an original will give you what you want, many original remotes DON'T. If you're looking for GUARANTEES that you'll get 100% of what you want, you aren't gonna get it; that depends on you, and you putting in the effort to get that. If you spent half the time you've spent looking for guarnatees actually doing what's been suggested you'd probably have been done by now and happy as a lark. Fact is, you probably could have sent a 8811 or 1994 and the receiver to someone even half competent with JP-1 and had it back by now working primo. We can only guide and suggest, you have to take the steps to actually do the work and quit looking for guarantees. The only real guarantee that I can give: If you don't TRY, you'll never succeed at anything.
Jim

Its SAT 701, I used to use it on the panny UDS-20 satellite receiver, that was 6 years ago. It used the same graphics as the second generation RCA receivers, but the color of the graphics were green. No need for an action key.Never needed advanced codes, so don't know if they exist.

Edmund,

You gonna GUARANTEE this guy is gonna get everything he wants? He's been posting questions in several forums and threads all over the place and wants GUARANTEES that IF he attempts something he'll get 100% success. First he posts it's a "receiver", never telling us it's a satellite receiver, you had to do that. Then he posts with "HDTV", so a lotta people think he's talking about some tv model he has. He buys a receiver with no remote, then wants everyone to GUARANTEE that if he gets a certain remote, he's gonna have a cakewalk gettin it programmed and it'll do EXACTLY what he wants. A lot of guys wasted a lot of time and typing answering his questions because he gave crappy information in the first place, I, Jon, John, and I think Rob, too got sucked into his questions. Good grief, if he had done HIS stuff right in the beginning all this would have been avoided. Now he should have all the info he needs, but piddle-farts around because he don't wanna do anything that has ANY element of risk. Seems to me, he took his biggest risk by buying the dang thing without a remote in the first place. Personnally, I could care less if he gets it workin right; fact is I wouldn't take his receiver any JP-1 remote and set it up for him for 100.00; not worth the aggravation.
Jim

I was just stating facts in my case, no guarantees here. Panasonic made only two sat receivers and whose model #'s both end in twenty, stupid. This receiver hes asking about is 2-3 years old, so the only ones available are demos. He's the second one in a week asking about lost remotes for this receiver. Check on the 25th. Ive seen some in bad shape at Goodguys, Frys, and Ken Cranes. This was over a year ago, back in CA. He should buy a ofa remote, check out SAT code 0701, and go from there.

OK, it looks like I pissed a few of you off with my questions. That was not my intention. However, I made no pretensions that I knew any of this stuff and now I'm getting your bitching over my questions. From post one, I made it clear that I was new to this. Lighten up. I was ready to buy the original remote from Panny until some guy on one of these remote sites convinces me otherwise. I think it's interesting and so I start to do some checking. It's not that I do not want to do the leg work but when I went to Rob's site, Panny code 0701 was not listed under satellite codes and I didn't know what to do. So, then I get this ccf file from some guy and the questions snowball into this.

Edmond, for your information, the production date on this TUHDS20 High Definition receiver is 12/2001.

Jim, the "Action" button on this receiver, as evidenced from the user manual from Panny, clearly indicates that without the use of the "Action" button you will be wasting your time. This, plus the fact that I could not find the 0701 operating advanced codes, coupled with the concern that the "Action" button code is some sort of comb code previously mentioned by one of you that is unavailable has lead me to all of my dumbass newbie questions.

Now, if you folks, as a great source of information do not wish to help someone who is starting out, so be it. But I thought these were the places were people like me came to get help! As much as I have batted this around and searched the internet, I still can't find or get any of you who are supposedly in the know, to answer whether there is and "Action" button code out there.

I repeat, thank you for all of your help so far. I am not trying to get on your nerves.

James.

James,

I checked rob's site, and indeed, he just happens to not have the advanced codes for Sat_0701. You could make a contribution by calling Radio Sack support, tell them you have a 1994 remote, and ask them to please email them to you. The call is toll-free. When you get them, see if "action" is amongst them. Even if it isn't, forward a copy of the advance codes to rob via his site. I think I've given him about 10 or better.
You never did let us know if "action" was included in that ccf file you got. All you showed us was the channel up and down learned keys. From that, I was able to figure out that the setup code base was Sat_0701. Edmund seems to indicate that that setup code yields every possible function. Even if UEIC, nor RS nor panny, nor the ccf file has the "action" function, IF it exists at all, there are procedures you can take with JP-1, or even without JP-1 with a UEIC made remote that's been recommended to find it. It may take a little time and work, BUT; if you personnally aren't willing to take a little time, maybe a little expense, and a little effort, seems to me you've got little to lose.
And, nobody bitched about the questions; they did bitch about you wanting guarantees that you're gonna get that "action" function. NOBODY can make that guarantee because we can't make the moves for you.

If that "action" button is so important, I darn sure would have expected it to be in that ccf file. The weird thing is I have seen "aspect" and "action" referenced to panny tv's. It makes me wonder whether the receiver even has those at all, but their reference to them in the manual was the HD performance provided by the receiver requires that the TV have those functions to make it worthwhile. In other words, it's like Dolby Digital: while your receiver may be capable of handling the DD signals, unless you have a DD decoder, that feature is virtually worthless. Unless you have a DTS decoder, DTS on a dvd goes unused. Re-read, carefully that part of the manual and see if maybe you aren't mis-interpreting what it says. Are there physical buttons on the receiver labelled "aspect" or "action"?
Jim

If you check the date of this thread, you'll see its been out for two years.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

OK, not exactly a recent release. Apparantly initial release was sometime in 10/00; and James' personal unit was made in 12/01. I seriously doubt that they drastically changed the IR signals to work the unit. The pronto decode(at least what James shared with us) indicated 128.2 which is Sat_0701 on UEIC remotes. One obvious solution would be to buy a UEIC remote take it home, assign the Sat device button with 0701, and see if it works all the functions. If it doesn't, James could either return the remote and get a full refund; or contact RS/UEIC support and get the list of advance codes for 0701. If the ccf file had his 2 "required" functions, he could very easily add them via keymoves, since he'd already know the efc values. His mits remote can't add them; he could just fork out the 50 for an original remote, he'd be happy, the wife would be happy, and he'd have yet another romote on the coffee table to play with. I don't know about him and his wife, but most families I know are tired of 6-8 remotes on the coffee table and really like it when they can drawer the 6-8 and use just one for everything.
Edmund--glad to see you're doing well and still around.

Jim